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<p>I already said Duke’s equal wrt quality. But in terms of prestige i think Stanford will continue having an edge. There’s a common misconception that Stanford is an Ivy-League school. There’s no such misconception with Duke. Similar arguments apply to Cornell and Chicago. (furthermore, it’s ambiguous to say “The C in NY” since there are two Cs in NY: one in Manhattan and one in Ithica; but you do clarify later i guess)</p>
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<p>Sure Stanford’s in the heart of Silicon Valley. But perhaps it’s also fair to say that Stanford is the heart of silicon valley. It’s no coincidence that Stanford’s prestige skyrocketed with the # of billionaires it’s produced. It’s second behind only Harvard, whereas Duke doesn’t even make the cut.</p>
<p>(curiously though, UCLA was featured on the 2008 list of this ranking, but for some reason excluded from the 2010 version, even though the # of billionaires it produced should have remain unchanged…)</p>
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<p>LOL (this isn’t an argument, but more of an opinion) i’m pretty sure phantasmagoric would disagree with you, and provide persuasive arguments to the contrary, especially compared to Stanford. </p>
<p>^ beyphy, that is a very west coast centric perspective. On the east coast most people think Duke is an ivy, although it is very difficult to verify either of our assertions. Either way, I’m sure you’ll agree that Duke has tons of lay prestige. Also, forbes is just a really stupid magazine. I can name more than 10 Duke billionaires right now and link you to their wikipedia profiles. The problem with Duke’s alumni page on wikipedia is that it is woefully out dated. They fail to include SEVERAL MacArthur fellows and other eminent personalities, which really riles me up. While we are on the subject, I want to urge the Duke community of CC to help me update both the alumni page as well as the main wikipedia page.</p>
<p>This list is not inclusive of people who will doubtless be billionaires once they inherit their parents’ businesses. All the people listed above of the top of my head are dollar billionaires. Check it out.</p>
<p>Beyphy, I can’t tell if you’re disagreeing with me or if you just felt like quoting me and then offering your own insight, but I don’t disagree with the idea that Stanford may actually be “the heart” of Silicon Valley. </p>
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<p>I meant to imply that Chicago’s approach isn’t necessarily better. Notice how I described Chicago as “traditionally intellectual”? I’m not saying that Chicago’s academic environment is better than Stanford’s, I’m just saying that Chicago’s ambiance fits the “traditional” description of intellectual. I also went on to say that Chicago’s approach may be outdated. I’m fairly certain that phantasmagoric would actually agree with me.</p>
<p>Actually, from the two people who told me they thought Stanford was an ivy, one was from the midwest, and the other was from Russia. I’d think that people on the east coast have less misconceptions about the ivy’s since that’s where they are. But it all depends i guess.</p>
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<p>offering my own insight mostly.</p>
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<p>Sorry, i interpreted your comment on a “problem at Stanford” as implying that there’s a problem here as opposed to other schools (like Chicago.)</p>
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<li>Quality of education. Duke = HPYS. </li>
<li>Quality of student. D=HPYS.</li>
<li>Opportunities. D students have 99% of the opportunities that students from HPYS have.</li>
<li>Reputation. Never, HYPS have too much money to allow that to happen and new members are not welcome to the club.</li>
<li>Rankings. Never, Duke is falling not moving up the USNWR. Yes too much attention is given to the USNWR but it is what it is. Location hurts Duke as well. Schools outside of CA and the northeast get little respect.</li>
<li>Total college experience. D>HYP</li>
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<p>This thread has thoroughly convinced me that CC is full of pretentious elitists who have little understanding of getting into the top 20 schools. How has it gotten to a point were we break down Ivies into tiers? Why does every other user here ride HYPS? As someone who was accepted to Stanford (with $1000 better financial aid package btw) I chose to decline and go to Brown. And yes I am a STEM-oriented student btw. Yes I understand the differences in acceptance rate and how much HYPS has public recognition, but to say they are in a tier above fellow schools like Brown, UPenn, and Columbia who are often times much older than these institutions is ridiculous. There is minimal difference in ability between the top guy at one of these “lower tier” places and the top guy at the other 4 many users seem to worship. So before you make absurd assumptions just because “only 2 out of the 30 that applied to HYPS in my school were accepted” it would do you some good to understand the educational opportunities available.</p>
<p>bud123, technically, duke has equaled HYP in the past in US News, so theoretically there is no reason why it shouldn’t happen again. I agree with everything else that you asserted.</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Just a quick note of comparison between Duke amd Stanford law will show that the academic quality of the student body is about equal and the faculty consists of many long-termers at both schools. Duke has its big time faculty members (Walter Dellinger former acting SG) and so does Stanford (Deborah Rhode for example). </p>
<p>But right now, in terms of law school prestige, there is Harvard and Yale and then everyone else grouped together in the rest of the Top 14. All the big law firms recruit at the Top 14 schools, and so I think the best measure of law school prestige is Supreme Court clerkships, where both alum’s and faculty are heavily invested in getting their charges opportunities. In that regard, it is H&Y and then everyone else, with H&Y earning 1/2 of all SCt clerkships since 2005 (NYT article). Stanford is in the next grouping with Columbia, Virginia, and Chicago (in no order, but a combined 1/4 of the clerkships together), and then Duke (2 currently) and NYU (three currently) are fairly close behind.</p>
<p>When O’Connor and Rehnquist (the only two Stanford S Ct alums) served togteher on the SCt for many years, Stanford regularly received at least one and sometimes two clerkshisps frome each judge. This moved it up the prestige meter so that a decade ago you would be right that Stanford was a peer of Y & H. But no longer. Since their retirement, Stanford has fallen back into the pack.</p>
<p>This is not to say Stanford is not a terrific law school, it is and has many illustruous alums. But right now it is not even close to H&Y in the ultimate prestige game – SCT clerkships and it is much closer to the rest of the Top 14 including Duke.</p>
<p>^Fair enough, Muckdogs07. You’re definitely much more knowledgeable on the subject so I will defer to your judgement. I had always heard that it was HYS and then the rest of the T-14, but your explanation does make sense.</p>