When people don't vaccinate their kids

[romanigypsyeyes]

<p>Expect that our argument holds up in a court of law.</p>

[sally305]

<p>^And in the medical research community.</p>

[dmd77]

<p>Great article: <a href=“Vaccines: Opponents are Wrong Again | Time”>http://time.com/46914/vaccine-opponents-wrong/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[jym626]

<p><a href=“Dear Parents, You Are Being Lied To | HuffPost Life”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost; Another good article</p>

<p>and this one is supposed to be funny (the onion usually is) but this one missed the mark, IMO <a href=“The Pros And Cons Of Vaccinating Children”>http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-pros-and-cons-of-vaccinating-children,35731/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[jym626]

<p>Finally.
<a href=“Court ruling: parents don't have the right to send their unvaccinated kids to school - Vox”>Court ruling: parents don't have the right to send their unvaccinated kids to school - Vox;

<p>perhaps because of this? <a href=“Measles Outbreak Traced Back To A Single Unvaccinated Child | IFLScience”>http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/measles-outbreak-traced-back-single-unvaccinated-child&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[sally305]

<p>Thanks for posting those links. The level of misinformation out there is really terrifying.</p>

[jym626]

<p>Thanks, Sally. It is important that people make educated decisions. These links are from a friend’s dau who is a postdoc fellow in Molecular Genetics and Geonomics, and she is passionate about sharing this information.</p>

[teriwtt]

<p>Awesome links.</p>

[BTMell]

<p>This was interesting from NPR: <a href=“http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines”>Measles Outbreak In Ohio Leads Amish To Reconsider Vaccines : Shots - Health News : NPR;

[Consolation]

<p>I wonder if Hobby Lobby has considered not covering Viagra, Cialis, et al unless the man is married and can present medical proof that his wife is fertile and ready, wiling, and able to bear children?</p>

[teriwtt]

<p>@consolation - I am getting more nervous about the Hobby Lobby decision the closer we are getting to the end of the month. :(</p>

[shellz]

<p>The following is just my .02…I think the whole employer supplied health care paradigm is wrong. Tying healthcare to employment puts undue pressure on businesses (small ones especially) to cater to too many differing needs and demands. As a business owner, I’d hate to be told that I was required to pay for some medical procedure my business was fundamentally against. Additionally, maybe if employers weren’t worried about providing ever more expensive health care they’d have more resources to hire more workers. Business and an employee’s private medical needs/wants should be separate. Btw, I’m not really a fan of Hobby Lobby, but I think if someone chooses to work for them, they should be forewarned that the company’s policies may not jive with their particular needs. </p>

[Consolation]

<p>I agree, shellz, that linking of health coverage to employment is a bad idea all round. It is an historical accident that ought to be fixed. That is why I support universal, single-payer coverage. </p>

[jaylynn]

<p>Exactly.</p>

[greenwitch]

<p>Apparently there was a case of a vaccinated woman who not only got measles, but passed it on to other people. It raises all sorts of questions, but what drives me crazy is that the anti-vaxxers will use it as “proof” that vaccines don’t work, rather than looking more thoroughly and scientifically at the whole process. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/measles-cases-are-spreading-despite-high-vaccination-rates-whats-going-on/2014/06/23/38c86884-ea97-11e3-93d2-edd4be1f5d9e_story.html”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/measles-cases-are-spreading-despite-high-vaccination-rates-whats-going-on/2014/06/23/38c86884-ea97-11e3-93d2-edd4be1f5d9e_story.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[Nrdsb4]

<p>There are always people who are vaccinated who don’t seroconvert, for a variety of reasons. Nothing is 100%.</p>

[MaineLonghorn]

<p>Does anyone know why there’s not a Lyme’s vaccination for people? Our vet said the one for dogs is about 95% effective. I know NOTHING about the subject, so forgive the dumb question!</p>

[Sue22]

<p>The article greenwitch linked to contains an excellent explanation of how vaccines work and why they sometimes fail to produce full protection against the diseases they target. From the article…</p>

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So if vaccines can fail right off the bat, why bother with them?</p>

<p>Well, they fail in only a small percentage of the population. Seat belts don’t prevent death 100 percent of the time, and life jackets don’t prevent drowning 100 percent of the time, but they do reduce the risk of death; that’s why we use vaccines — for risk reduction, not risk elimination.

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In the case of Measles Mary, the vaccine failure was a result of waning. Researchers already knew that some people don’t seroconvert after contracting measles, but Mary had evidence of anti­bodies, so failed seroconversion wasn’t the problem. The problem was that her antibodies had waned, making her both susceptible to catching the disease and, apparently, capable of passing it on.</p>

<p>This finding is important, but it’s also notable that this occurrence is so rare — so far — that it merited a case study in the medical literature.

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[scansmom]

<p>…yes, so “rare” that of those infected in this outbreak, not only was Measles Mary previously vaccinated but so were two others </p>

[cptofthehouse]

<p>As said, vaccinations are not 100%. It’s all about reducing over all risks for as many people as possible. The problem is that it is entirely possible that vaccination may not be in the best interests of any individual. And when it comes to ones child, most parents could care less about others. </p>