When people don't vaccinate their kids

These people fall into the same camp as climate-change deniers. They cherry-pick information from a few sources that say what they want to hear and disregard decades of scientific consensus.

3bm103, that Arizona doctor is reckless and irresponsible. Does he think it would be “good” for kids to get polio? Is it their right to come down with smallpox? What an idiot.

My kids both got the CPox vaccine, still developed CPox, and D got shingles in college. My H never had CPox but got it as a young adult - in fact he missed my college graduation as he was sick!

My son had all of his vaccininations, did not get CPox, but did get shingles. It was relatively benign, but it did seem to wake up my sleeping virus (I had CPox some 50+ years earlier) and I got shingles, which was not pleasant. When I asked doctors if his shingles could have woken up my virus slumbering in my nerves, they have the facial expression of people who like to act as if they know the answer to every question but don’t this time, so they change the subject :slight_smile:

You got that from one facial expression? Any chance you misinterpreted?

@Nrdsb4, I never heard one of “yes,” “no,” or “I don’t know.” Those are the three legit answers to the question. The facial expression told me I wasn’t going to hear any of the three answers, and I didn’t. It’s not the end of the world, but I was curious if it was a long-shot coincidence, or possibly related.

I had the chicken pox, but got the shingles vaccine as soon as I could. Here is a powerpoint on the difference between chickenpox and shingles http://www.cdc. -vac/shingles/downloads/VZVclinicalslideset_Jul2010.pdf gov/vaccines/vpd

^^^Well, the standard answer in the medical literature is that shingles is not contagious. Shingles can cause chickenpox in someone without immunity to chicken pox, but not shingles.

No way to say with 100% certainty that your case was not caused by your son’s, but the odds are that it was total coincidence. But we never say never. Maybe you were stressed by your son’s illness, maybe your immune system was vulnerable at that time, maybe it truly was a psychosomatic response, there’s no way to say for sure.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/shingles/detail_shingles.htm#257903223

"never heard one of “yes,” “no,” or “I don’t know.” Those are the three legit answers "

Or “unlikely but never say never.”

@Pizzagirl, yes, there is a difference between “I don’t know” and “we don’t know,” and I should have added the fourth legit answer.

“We don’t know for sure, but it seems to depend on how long you were in pain” seems to be the answer to “should I get a shingles vaccine after having had shingles?”

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/shingles-can-strike-twice-will-the-shingles-vaccine-help-201103021531

Post 1126 has been the conventional wisdom for years but lately things have been changing and there seem to be some cases of “catching” shingles from those who have CPox. Don’t think it’s clear yet what happens. No clear definition of when to get shingles shot either. A lot depends on the state of the immune system.

^^^I had shingles, and mild pain for a couple of months afterwards. I probably should get the vaccine. I was lucky in that mine showed up on my trunk-how horrible to have it on the eyes!

My nephew did not get the flu vaccine because he felt that it went against his vegan beliefs. He had the flu over Christmas and the rest of the vaccinated household and my vaccinated family did not get sick. Two weeks ago he came down with Influenza A (the type that was not covered in the vaccine) - my sister also got it and the rest of the family decamped for the 3 day weekend to get away from it all. Of course this doesn’t prove that the vaccine was effective against the first flu (other flu viruses are reportedly more mild and less virulent), but it suggests that it may have helped.

I do think that nephews immune system was already kind of shot to heck from battling the first flu so he was more susceptible to the second and brought it into the household. That’s just a layman’s theory, though.

thata great that vaccines are now completely covered for kids.
That’s as it should be.however it is a very recent change.

A lot more people have health insurance now than did a couple of years ago, too. It will be interesting to see what change that makes in the vaccination levels of the herd.

I have no patience for folks who don’t take their kids for vaccinations. My oldest had whooping cough, even though she got the vaccine at the appropriate time. It was her worst illness–she missed two weeks of school. She got it when she was 12–she’s 31 now. She got it before docs realized that immunity wears off and you need to update the pertussis vaccine. A kid in her class had it and never reported it to the school nurse!

In our elementary district, the most disadvantaged school (>90% low income and/or English Learners) has a 0.4% vaccination opt out rate. The school with the highest opt out rate (11.5%) is about 30% low-income or English Learner (and a fair number of those are Asian English Learners) and a fair number of high-income families. Other schools fall generally along that trend line.

The Vaccines for Children Program started in the early 90s. I was one of the kids covered through it. I don’t really think that qualifies as very recent, but maybe that’s just my youthful outlook :stuck_out_tongue:

I bet earlier people who got smallpox, tetanus and all of these other diseases would have loved to have had their rights violated (post 1118). What a stupid man.

Not to be redundant, as I’ve posted this before, but the highest vaccination rates are among immigrant populations, including illegal immigrants. This is significant because these are the families that often have the worst access to medical care. I heard a public health expert posit that it’s because parents in these families often come from places where childhood diseases that are uncommon in the US are not under control, and they have seen firsthand the devastation such diseases can wreck, whereas US born parents, not having ever experienced an outbreak are more blasé.

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