Thank you, sue22. Where is that quote from? Can you post the link?
“Though the anti-vaccine movement likely is one of the reasons for the outbreak in California, which so far has spread to 73 residents, a U.S. News analysis of data from the California Department of Public Health show that most of those who currently have the virus are aged 20 or older, meaning some were born not only before the anti-vaccine movement swelled, but also before the U.S. implemented aggressive immunization measures.”
Something for everyone in that article. Blaming anti-vaxxers is just way too easy. Most people are clueless.
^^ From Nrdsb4’s link in post #1717.
Still . . . wouldn’t it be a great thing if “childhood” diseases that had been eradicated stayed eradicated? Does that sound too easy?
It would be nice but if we have personal belief exemptions in 48 states and are not checking vaccination records at every international airport and border crossing it is not going to happen.
The chart in nrdsb4’s link is interesting. Yes, most people who caught it were 20 or older, and the most non-Disney people who caught it were also 20 or older. Of course, it was the broadest age group but it questions the theory that schools are the most dangerous place for disease transmission.
The article also says that anyone 26 or older would be less likely to have had a booster and would be more at risk so that could explain it all.
“The Disneyland measles patients range in age from 7 months to 70 years old. It’s not a bunch of anti-vaxxers kids.”
So WHAT?? The points that keeps flying over some people’s heads are … a) some people won’t sero-convert so vaxes don’t work 100%, and b) some people CANNOT be vaccinated due to other issues such as undergoing chemotherapy. It’s not just ABOUT kids - it’s just that kids are the ones who typically get vaxxed.
Who knows how many of the California adult cases were in people who were born and raised in the US. Quite possible they could be visitors or immigrants or heaven forbid, possibly illegals who were not immunized.
And some day this big wave of elementary and middle school kids who aren’t vaccinated will also be 20 or older.
Except for you, right, Marie?
Interesting that there is no personal belief waiver for people applying for US visas.
http://www.uscis.gov/news/questions-and-answers/vaccination-requirements
Except for you, right, Marie?
Jeez. Is it really so hard to understand that your average 25 year old traipsing around Disneyland has no idea if they are immunized against the Measles? Of the five park employees initially infected two were vaccinated and the other three did not know one way or the other. There is no need to get personal.
Normally there are those regulation points through life where records are requested and missed vaccinations are filled in . . . pre-school, kindergarten, summer camp, high school, college residential living. Now in some places kids are moving through these milestones unchecked so will exit out the other side of parental control unvaccinated and possibly clueless about the potential consequences. That isn’t very reassuring to me.
Okay, marie. My bad.
Marie, it is not so hard to understand, it is just irrelevant. There have been ignorant 25-year olds and immigrants and religious and medical exemptions for decades. The x-factor that is new and helping Measles to spread again is the anti-vax movement. That is why they are (justifiably) getting the blame here - the percentage of “acceptable” unprotected people for herd protection is just barely large enough to cover the medically and religiously exempt along with those whose immunity lapsed or who otherwise fell through the gaps. Deliberately expanding that group to the point where herd immunity fails, based on paranoia and bad science, is a far greater transgression than any amount of young “I thought I was vaccinated but never checked” ignorance.
Good! As it should be!
I wonder if the number of medical exemptions has risen with the current anti-vaxx trend. I have a neighbor whose kids all seem to have mysterious medical conditions, diagnosed by practitioners of alternative medicines. For instance, her kids all seem to have the same food allergies, despite the fact that the youngest is adopted. I would be surprised if her kids were vaccinated, and I would be unsurprised if she had obtained a medical exemption.
Good points, cosmicfish.
Those that depend on herd immunity remind me of a guy that I used to work with many years ago who “objected” to paying taxes and refused on a philosophical basis. I remember asking him if he also refused any and all benefits that were allotted to citizens based on tax payer money. He didn’t have an answer for me.
@marie1234 - it’s simple probability and statistics and yes, they show that the anti-vaxxers are largely to blame, even if they were not the original case.
Let’s say 1 infected person visits a room of 100 people who are completely unvaccinated. Science tells us that 90 of those people will become infected.
That same 1 person visits a room of 100 properly vaccinated people. 3 of them will become infected.
That same person visits a room of 100 people who’ve been vaccinated, but didn’t get their booster or something. Well, I don’t know how many will become infected, let’s say 20.
All those newly infected people go out into the world, not knowing they are infected for several days and pass it along. You can see how the epidemic happens, and only happens, due to the sizable unvaccinated population.