When people don't vaccinate their kids

I mean CEO etc. not shoppers

I get Tatin’s point and it might be true in California or other places but where I live it’s not. I am in walking distance of a Whole Foods, have lived in my neighborhood for more than 20 years, and don’t know a single anti-vaxxer.

A lot of the reason people here choose organic is the issue of food miles–it’s not just about pesticides and GMOs (although those are a big deal to some). We have numerous organic farms and dairies in the area and supporting them also means buying more local.

My relatives live a few blocks from Whole Foods but I believe nearly their entire neighborhood is vaccinated.

Isn’t Robert Kennedy Jr. and his whole environmental thing basically this on a grand scale?

There is a current movement in our county to no longer put fluoride in our water. I think it’s silly. We had well water when I was a kid and my teeth are crap.

While I was a kid in Michigan in the 70’s when PBB contaminated the food chain. They say 9 out of 10 Michiganders were unknowingly exposed to PBB in our food or drink. So do we really always know what it’s in our food? No But I think that organic food maybe safer and I don’t think there is a big link between Whole Foods and the anti-vaxers.

I don’t think anyone’s worried about Whole Foods’ corporate motivations. I think perhaps the link is that the same people who mistrust vaccines, Merck and the FDA mistrust GMO foods, Monsanto and the FDA.

Adding- I live near a Whole Foods now, in an area I would guess is well vaccinated, but I used to live near an early Bread and Circus/Whole Foods opened in 1979 in Cambridge MA. Lots of shoppers there were heavily into alternative medicines and I would bet that even today the incidence of vaccination is lower among patrons than the public in general.

I don’t trust Monsanto .

Mistrust Monsanto? Why would I do that?
:-/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/roundup-is-tied-to-infertility-and-cancer-herbicides-maker-calls-it-safe/2013/04/29/ac86ced6-ae71-11e2-98ef-d1072ed3cc27_story.html

Monsanto is just evil. I think of Whole Foods as a gourmet supermarket rather than a health food supermarket.

http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/daily-cartoon/daily-cartoon-monday-february-2nd-measles-disneyland This is priceless

Hilarious!

I don’t trust Monsanto, either, but choosing to eat organic food is not doing harm to the general public or people with weakened immune systems.

As I mentioned before, my 32 yr. old niece and her H have lots of friends who are anti-vaxxers. They are all children of the upper middle class who are well educated and gainfully employed. They all make their own baby food, are into baby wearing, family beds, only cloth diapers, blah, blah, blah. They did the amber beads thing for teething too, which had my mom worried sick.

My niece’s baby had an ear ache a few months ago and they were besides themselves that he had to be on antibiotics.

My sister and the MIL have to bite their tongues all the time.

At least they aren’t anti-vaxxers.

"n a 2014 study for the journal Pediatrics, political scientist Brendan Nyhan tested four different pro-vaccine messages, all centered on the MMR shot: One based in the science of vaccines, one based on the risks of catching an illness, one based on the “true” story of an infant who caught measles, and one showing images of incredibly sick children. Could either message—three of which were based on information from the Centers for Disease Control—budge anti-vaccine parents away from their beliefs?

No. The most graphic approaches—which illustrated the dangers of disease with pictures and stories—prompted a backlash."

Well, because it’s really about defiance of authority. Look, I can show my middle finger to The Man and it makes me cool. It’s mommies with too much time on their hands and no actual sense of power, so standing up to Big a Science makes them feel empowered. And they convince themselves that what they read on the Internet is true.

@emilybee - what is the amber beads thing?

Does anyone know if they recommend a booster for adults? I wonder if my D should get a booster at her annual doctor’s visit.

There are many situations where people can make choices in things, but that does not mean that every possible choice is a good one.

It really makes my blood boil that in 2015 we have politicians who are feeding into the anti-vax hysteria.

This is what we get for voting for lawyers and “business people” rather than scientists.

Isn’t Rand Paul a physician? And also that whackadoodle who thought that women’s bodies could “shut down” in case of rape? I think the physicians and scientists in congress might be worse since they are failed physicians and scientists.

Yes… an ophthalmologist who should know better than to speak so far outside his training. It seems likely that his statement was based more on his political beliefs and ambitions than on any serious study of the issue.

Men should be concerned about the other M in MMR. It is not a deadly disease, but a significant % (30-50% by some reports) of infected adult men experience some degree of testicular atrophy and possibly problems with infertility.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633545/