Ah. It all makes sense now.
Google “central american immigrant children disneyland” and the reason for marie’s fixation on who the cause of the outbreak is will become abundantly clear.
You are clearly mistaken whatever you mean there because the CDC says it came from overseas and I did not bring up the border kids issue.
Oh my!
Again, the question remains . . . why would it be the death knell of civilization as we know it to have immigrant kids not vaccinated but it is perfectly fine for kids born in this country to forego vaccination? I fail to grasp that distinction.
Disneyland doesnt need to be full of “antivaxxers”. It just has to have a few people who were either not vaccinated or whose immunity is weak for whatever reason (some wear off apparently) who then become contaGious and spread it to their locales.
*** crossposted with saintfan. Same thought.
Reports I’ve seen say that the original case came from , IIRC, the Phillipines, but it could have been an american citizen who was exposed while over there and came back and went to Disneyland.
Anyone know why we can’t mention ebola? Or was that a joke? I’m confused…
The CDC is not certain who patient zero is.
Emphasis is mine.
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At this time, no source case for the outbreak has been identified, but it is likely that a traveler (or more than one traveler) who was infected with measles overseas visited one or both of the Disney parks in December during their infectious period.
Measles genotype information was available from 9 measles cases; all were genotype B3 and all sequences linked to this outbreak are identical. The sequences are also identical to the genotype B3 virus that caused a large outbreak in the Philippines in 2014. During the last 6 months, identical genotype B3 viruses were also detected in at least 14 countries and at least 6 U.S. states, not including those linked to the current outbreak.
The above was from an advisory dated January 23, 2015.
Anyone watching the news? They just showed a tweet Rand Paul posted of himself getting an MMR booster. Apparently he said his comments were “misinterpreted”. Regardless of politics this is good.
Of course. It’s always that the comments are “misinterpreted” or “taken out of context.”
That does happen frequently. Oh my.
At bridge with my friend who is an atty at the CDC. Media trucks are out in force again.
“Misinterpreted?” They had a video of him saying what he said. No “misinterpretation” possible.
Misembarrassed, more likely.
He said what he said. He said people say blah, blah , blah, which people do say. But, he is not an anti-vaxxer although he does think choice should be a parental right. No one is disagreeing with that, btw. They just aren’t saying it much right now. But, the law is what it is on this issue. I expected him to get more blowback for shhhshing the reporter.
I didn’t make up the quotes, I just made them available for viewing. Take it up with the source, please, misdirected snakiness isn’t helpful.
Actually, many people disagree with the idea that the choice to not vaccinate should be a parental right.
I am one of those people.
The courts have ruled that parents cannot reject lifesaving treatments on the basis of magical thinking for their children (ie religion). This, to me, is no different.
Okay, by no-one I guess I meant no high profile politicians or elected leaders who are in a position to mandate vaccinations. Many people on this thread, maybe. But, if there are exemptions it doesn’t mean much. That’s the problem.
Poll on attitudes toward mandatory versus parental choice on vaccines for children:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/02/young-adults-more-likely-to-say-vaccinating-kids-should-be-a-parental-choice/
Important note: this survey is about whether people believe that vaccines should be mandatory, not whether they believe vaccines are helpful, harmful, or otherwise. Someone can favor parental choice, but also believe that it is foolish to avoid vaccines for non-medical reasons. So the demographic associations with opinions here may not match the demographic associations with vaccine refusal.
Support for mandatory vaccination had some variation by demographic groups, but all were in favor. Younger people (18-29 and 30-49), parents of young children, middle income ($30,000 to $74,999), Republicans, and independents (i.e. neither Republican nor Democrat) did have a higher percentage of those favoring parental choice. Older people (50-64 and 65+), Hispanics, and Democrats did have a higher percentage of those favoring mandatory vaccination. But the biggest differences from the overall were by age; the next biggest difference was for Democrats. Note that the political affiliation differences were minimal in 2009, but larger in 2014.
The biggest difference is that people who are old enough to remember these diseased or had parents who lost sibling or friends are significantly more in favor of mandated vaccination. That should tell us something.
UCB, to be honest, I’m not sure what your point is. Even among young adults, the majority think they should be mandatory.
41% of people in my age group are idiots. In other news, water’s still wet.
ETA: And, to be honest, I’m not sure if it’s entirely that we’ve never seen someone with Polio (or insert other horrific disease here)- though I am sure that is at least part of it. The bigger issue is that we’ve been treated like special snowflakes since we were little and taught to be extremely suspicious of EVERYTHING. We are the “stranger danger” generation- is it really a wonder that these special snowflakes who weren’t even allowed to bike to the local park are distrustful of government sources and being told they * must * do something?
That’s my theory at least as someone actually in that age group.