When Privilege and Ugly Behavior Are Caught on Camera

The video that is often released is video with police officers acting poorly. I think this video puts some balance into that equation. There are officers out there who are professionals and can keep it together even when provoked. I have zero issue with this video being released – it’s instructive for the public at large and illustrates what police officers most likely deal with quite often.

There is no way I would have had the patience that those 2 officers exhibited with that individual.

This is a famous encounter between a cop with the patience of Job and a very angry person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-bz-kFyk8I

And sadly you also have incidents like this mother trying to see her dying son in the hospital.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/28/mom-arrested-trying-see-dying-son-hospital/560978002/

“When she tried to get in, a police officer told her to back up. She said she just wanted to see her son. She was told to leave, she said. And when she went to help her mother, who suffers from respiratory illness and uses a walker, climb the hill from the parking garage to the emergency department, the police arrested her.

Her fiancé, Lamar Sistrunk, asked the officer what she was being arrested for. “She just lost her son,” he said. The officer told him to back up.

Sistrunk asked the officer, “What if that was your son in there?”

The officer replied, according to Sistrunk, “My son wouldn’t be in that predicament.” ”

^^ Oh, please.You left out the part about the hospital being on lockdown. Watch the video. The family was hysterical, screaming and cursing and fighting with the police. The cop’s comment was insensitive but the family could have avoided all of this if they had been calm and respectful.

I agree with @patsmom. There was a crowd composed of the families of two different gunshot victims outside the hospital. The hospital was on lockdown for a reason-to prevent some emotional family member or other party from finishing off one of the injured. Had the mother calmly and quietly explained the situation and waited until an administrator or police officer could gather enough information to overrule the earlier decision she might have been admitted and allowed to see her son’s body. Instead the police were dealing with screaming, cursing family members trying to push past them. The police’s first duty in a situation like this has to be to keep everyone, including hospital personnel, safe.

The hospital was on lockdown because her son had been shot! They even admit they don’t have a protocol for situations like this (I’m assuming that means more than one victim of violent crime). I don’t know anyone who would be able to “calmly and quietly explain” the situation when all they know is that their 18 year old son has been shot, and is probably dying. And the cop’s comment was way more than insensitive - he didn’t know why her son was shot, or whether he had done anything to deserve his “predicament.” Clearly in the eyes of that cop, this was yet another young black male who simply got what he deserved. He (and the hospital) had no intention of allowing her in to see her son, even if she had been calm.

Why didn’t they want her to see her son, calm or not?

MODERATOR’S NOTE: Let’s not start discussing other cases in this thread, please.

Caren Turner is the reason the Port Authority Commissioners may not be able to have nice things any more:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/04/bye-bye_badges_legislature_moving_to_ban_law_enfor.html

I was really surprised she had one to begin with. What’s the point for someone who was in her capacity except to flash it around in inappropriate ways like she did? Business cards are more than sufficient for those positions.

True. Commissioners don’t have on-the-ground responsibilities or any public-facing duties. They just meet periodically (monthly? quarterly?) to determine policy. Badge not necessary.

Despite her claim she was “heading up over 4,000 police officers.” 8-|

Is it possible that, in this situation, the police may have been dealing with more than an outsized sense of entitlement? This woman may have a diagnosable personality disorder, or perhaps a mental illness like bi-polar disorder. Clearly this kind of behavior is not “normal’, not even for the wealthy and privileged.

It wouldn’t surprise me if she had a personality disorder. Her behavior was certainly antisocial.

Yeah, I wasn’t joking when I said I thought the officers had been through CIT training and learned how to deal with mentally ill people.

Curious as to where the line is between individuals with a personality disorder and those who are merely “querulous”

“Is it possible that, in this situation, the police may have been dealing with more than an outsized sense of entitlement? This woman may have a diagnosable personality disorder, or perhaps a mental illness like bi-polar disorder.”

Narcissistic came to mind more than anything else.

Only a professional can make the call. But generally, depends on the onset of the behavior, if it’s persistent, occurs in many contexts, interferes with relationships … stuff like that. Not a mental health professional, but married to one :slight_smile:

Yeah, we can’t diagnose her, obviously, but it is apparent that she has issues of some kind!

Completely agree with @brantly. Diagnostic decisions should be made by mental health professionals who have appropriately evaluated someone. In this video she was obnoxious and tried to throw her weight around. She comes across like a “female dog”. She appears pushy, aggressive and confrontational. She behaved very badly. It’s inappropriate, but it does not meet criteria of a diagnostic delineation. Do wonder if there might also be some gender bias. Not everyone who acts badly has a mental illness. Some people are just jerks.