<p>^^^I agree that Michigan is not “2 leagues” above UNC at the undergraduate level.</p>
<p>I would stand by what I said that - academic and prestige wise - Michigan is significantly superior to UNC, and I can prove it.</p>
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<p>Cuse0507, one of the driving forces behind school prestige is having a great professional school. Remember that the OP was asking for academic prestige. Luckily, Michigan has not got only one great professional school, but all, as in all, its professional schools are very prestigious and very-well regarded not just in the US but also internationally. Not only that, almost all departments at Michigan are highly rated and very-well respected. It’s bigger size is just a bonus, because Michigan does not really get its prestige from its large size, but from its top-ranked academic departments. Very few schools on earth can rival Michigan in academic prestige, and UNC, whilst is a good, good school, is OBVIOUSLY not one of them. </p>
<p>Michigan law - #9 (one of the so-called T14)
UNC Law is in tier 2 or 3.</p>
<p>Michigan Med is #11 in the nation.
UNC med is in tier 2.</p>
<p>Michigan engineering is a solid top 10 in the nation.
UNC’s is in tier 3 or 4.</p>
<p>Michigan’s business school is one of the very best in the world.
UNC’s is in tier 3 or 4.</p>
<p>Seems like at any angle you’ll see this, Michigan has a wide lead over UNC - in the academic prestige race. And whether that’s due largely on its great grad schools is really beside the point.</p>
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<p>Wrong. UNC’s Law School was ranked 30th in the most recent edition of USNWR-firmly in the first tier. </p>
<p><a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings/page+2[/url]”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings/page+2</a></p>
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<p>Wrong. UNC’s medical school was ranked #20 in the most recent USNWR rankings. Again, first tier. </p>
<p><a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings[/url]”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings</a></p>
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<p>UNC’s engineering is outsourced to NC State, 25 miles down the road and coincidentally ranked #31 in the USNWR rankings.</p>
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<p>Wrong. UNC’s graduate business school was ranked #20 in the most recent edition of USNWR, and the undergraduate B-school is consistently in the top 10 nationally. </p>
<p><a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/rankings[/url]”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/rankings</a>
Where on earth are you getting your figures from? They are all completely, totally wrong-not even close. I don’t say this too often, but you really have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Cuse, you’re joking, right?</p>
<p>Top 20 on the professional school level isn’t tier 1. lol</p>
<p>Yale business school (SOM), for example, isn’t tier 1, and Yale’s business school is obviously superior and more regarded than UNC’s. I think it’s you who’s completely confused about this topic.</p>
<p>for example, in law education, there is such a thing as T14. These are the solid top 14 law schools in America, and Michigan law is one of them. then there’s a considerable gap between these so-called, T14 and those schools ranked #20. If you don’t know that, then that explains your ignorance about this topic.</p>
<p>nobody would rate UNC’s business school tier one. but i guess very few people would argue that michigan’s law, engineering and business schools aren’t some of the very best schools out there.</p>
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<p>Guess that depends on your idea of “tier”. Businessweek has UNC’s business school firmly in the first tier on both the graduate and undergraduate levels, and its first tier includes 30 schools. USNWR’s first tier for law school includes many more. Perhaps first tier in your opinion only applies to top 5 programs? </p>
<p>The fact remains, however, that UNC’s law, business, and medical programs are all ranked in the first tier by USNWR and by BusinessWeek. If you disagree with the rankings, perhaps you should take it up with the folks that created them?</p>
<p>No need to take this up with the folks that created the ranking, because they did not rank the schools based solely on prestige. </p>
<p>Cuse, I would stop right here, but by doing so, I would advise you to go out and expand your knowledge about this thing. Try to expand your social network (from the upper echelon of the society, or the right people) so you will be well-informed next time. It’s useless to go on discussing about this topic when you haven’t even heard of the so-called, T14 and stuff.</p>
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<p>Is that all? Nothing to back up your claims? I at least posted links to the rankings that I pulled up. Can you show me anything at all that proves that you have a valid point? Anything that shows that the “first tier” of grad schools stops at 14? Or that BusinessWeek’s first tier rankings of business schools are wrong? </p>
<p>I mean, I’d love to take your word for it, but I’m just not that trusting. Data, proof, links, show me what ya got. I’ll gladly concede defeat if proven wrong. The thing is, you’re just telling me that I’m wrong, not proving it.</p>
<p>RML and Cuse – kindly take the “mine is bigger than yours” argument elsewhere.</p>
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Basketball fans: “Hey, UNC is pretty good.”
Football fans: “Hey, I love me some Michigan-OSU.”</p>
<p>General public: “Oh, yeah. I know some people who went there. They’re pretty good schools.”</p>
<p>The reactions among the educated elite (whoever those nebulous and quite probably pompous people may be) may differ, but nobody among the general public would grovel before either university. Exceedingly few schools have that recognition – I once had someone ask me if by UCLA, I meant a university in LA or Louisiana. LOL!</p>
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<p>As Alexandre said, that renders the discussion moot. Michigan offered my major while UNC did not, and even that was not sufficient to sway me to apply to the former over the latter.</p>
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<p>Just ask The Ivy Plus Society ;-).</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ivyplussociety.org/about.html[/url]”>http://www.ivyplussociety.org/about.html</a></p>
<p>The Ivy Plus Society, or whatever it is called, is a group of prestigious schools. Though it is not an official group, the simple fact remains that all the schools in the list are quite prestigious and highly respected. Again, it is not official or anything other than a mere social networking, but the schools in the list are all very prestigious schools. Anyone who would argue against it must not be taken seriously.</p>
<p>Cuse0507, </p>
<p>Someone who thinks that Ross and Kenan-Flagler are peer schools is someone who is grossly mis-informed about business schools. Surely, Kenan-Flagler is a good institution. It might be even more desirable than Ross for some people. But that’s not the point here. We are talking about prestige here. </p>
<p>For business schools, H,S,W are considered the top 3. then you have Kellogg, Chicago, Sloan and Columbia. Together, they all formed the so-called, M7. Since the rise of Haas and Tuck in the rankings, the use of M7 has gradually dwindled and has slowly been replaced with “Top 8” or “top 10”. Nothing is crystal clear yet which school would wind up the top 10, but Ross can make a very strong argument to be in that position. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/843379-what-t14-mba-schools.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/843379-what-t14-mba-schools.html</a></p>
<p>Whilst I do agree that Kenan-Flagler make the top 20 once in a while in some ranking games, the truth remains that there is a wide gap that separates it from the top 14 or 15. In business schools, tier 1 stops right after Darden and Anderson. Some people would even argue that it stops right after Ross. Kenan-Flagler does not fall under tier 1, definitely. It does not have the brand power that Ross has. You can argue all you want, but the simple truth remains that Ross in just in a league above Kenan-Flagler.</p>
<p>RML, although I agree that Michigan has a stronger MBA program and a more highly regarded Law School and Medical School than UNC, I don’t think there is a significant advantage in prestige. Michigan also has stronger professional programs than Brown (weaker in Engineering and Business) and Dartmouth (equal in Business but weaker in Engineering and Medicine) but is not considered a more prestigious university overall. Strong professional programs helpt to be sure, but they aren’t the be-all, end-all. Personally, this is how I breakdown prestige when it comes to Public universities:</p>
<h1>1. University of California-Berkeley</h1>
<h1>2. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>
<h1>2. University of Virginia</h1>
<h1>4. University of California-Los Angeles</h1>
<h1>4. University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign</h1>
<h1>4. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill</h1>
<h1>4. University of Texas-Austin</h1>
<h1>4. University of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>
<p>Alexander, this is not about which between michigan and unc has a better undergrad education, but which between the two has a better academic prestige. I would not put unc is a group of schools known to be academically prestigious schools. unc is a good school - there is no question about that. but is it really an academically prestigious school? by what virtue? which area does unc excels in that we can truly say it’s academically prestigious as a whole?</p>
<p>and regarding about michigan vs brown, at least, brown is an ivy league. its being part of the ivy makes it prestigious. unc is not an ivy and does not have anything to bank on to make it a very prestigious school. it’s a good school though and has a very high academic standard.</p>
<p>Michigan for prestige, but UNC and UMich have about the same academics IMO.</p>
<p>Michigan has more prestige</p>
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Top 20 on the professional school level isn’t tier 1. lol*</p>
<p>Yes, it is. Those in the top 30 are also tier 1 on the professional school level.</p>
<p>Check out USNWR’s rankings of 12 graduate departments (sciences, humanities and social sciences). In one department, the 2 schools are tied. In each of the other 11, Michigan ranks higher (with spreads ranging from 2 to 44 positions). I realize some posters want to distinguish “prestige” from academic quality, but I don’t know quite how to measure the former separately from the latter. We’re talking about universities not automobiles.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t put the University of Illinois in that list.</p>