<p>Auburn please stop contradicting your statements. If you actually read all your posts, you will agree. You go from circuits are taught to circuits are not required in the same post. Then you say they should be.</p>
<p>silence_kit. If we were to follow your academic guideline, people with Phsyics A/B credits would qualify as engineers.</p>
<p>I took CompA and its nothing compared to circuits. Even digital logic( different course about microcircuits in depth) isnt close to what you are talking about. Multiplexer, decoders, encodes, comparators, mips, die,jk,t,d,flip flops and all other stuff has nothing to do with circuits( EE related/domestic usage). They have a different set of analysis. In the CAD software, you can make long/short wires and it makes no difference. The load is the same. Real circuit, a quarter of an inch over 100 miles could cost millions.</p>
<p>EE circuit analysis is, first of all, a basic EE course. Its a joke compared to signals and systems and Electronics. EE circuit analysis is very very different. You could have over a billion switches in a die, and you only need one to light up your room. There has to be a difference. CS dont need it. That my opinion, it would be a waste of time. Then again I believe 24 credits of HUSS is a waste of time as well.</p>
<p>EE requiring a book and circuits? dude kill yourself. Even wiki can tell you more.</p>
<p>Tell me how CS is NOT a subsidy of EE.</p>
<p>PS, yea i can auburn. Now go take real analysis /so you get a taste of real math.</p>
<p>“Auburn please stop contradicting your statements. If you actually read all your posts, you will agree. You go from circuits are taught to circuits are not required in the same post. Then you say they should be.”
My later posts are in an effort to tone down my original statement. I, for one, believe CS majors should know something about circuits, and if they don’t then they’re being done a disservice. But I realized that what I said could offend reasonable people, so I tried to express the fact that it’s alright if you don’t know a ton about circuits, which it is.</p>
<p>“EE requiring a book and circuits? dude kill yourself. Even wiki can tell you more.”
Hopefully you realize that saying EE is a book and a circuit kit is no more ridiculuous than saying CS is a book and a compiler. Hopefully college has taught you that much. Otherwise, I’d ask for my money back.</p>
<p>“Tell me how CS is NOT a subsidy of EE.”
CS has nothing to do with computers. You could study CS without touching a computer. CS is a subfield of mathematics. People in CS use computers to test programs which are proofs of concept for mathematical ideas. Physicists build circuits as proofs of concept for ideas in physics, but physics isn’t a subfield of EE.
The CS curriculum contains elements of hardware design and of software design, but don’t make the mistake of confusing the college major with the academic discipline. It’s good and right for CS majors to have this wide exposure, since there are not many jobs that really employ people doing CS… most CS majors get jobs in SE or CE fields. That doesn’t mean that CS is about computers, any more than it would mean that PoliSci is about waiting tables if most PoliSci majors end up working for TGIF FRiday’s.</p>
<p>"PS, yea i can auburn. Now go take real analysis /so you get a taste of real math. "
LOL. Please. Go take some real math and get back to me. Personally, I doubt that you have the mental capacity to pass a reasonable course in Real Analysis. If you do, you’ve not demonstrated it here in any way. It’s not even so much what you say, as how you say it, that betrays what is probably the fact that you have no idea what you’re talking about.</p>
<p>Not sure how CS can be a subsidy of anything, but if you mean its completely included in EE then you’re just wrong. Look up Algorithm Analysis and Complexity Theory, things I’m sure you have never heard of (so don’t bother telling us you have).</p>
<p>The point Auburn is trying to make is that CS is a respected field in itself, one that has a (at least semi-) clear definition that includes the two subjects I just mentioned. I think you’re having a hard time getting this point across because you’re in a part of the forum where most people only see the merits of something in its applications (i.e., industry and engineering).</p>
<p>And greenvision, I’m sure that AuburnMathTutor has had a much more “real taste” of math than you have (guessing that Real Analysis is the highest you’ve had since that was the example you cited, also guessing you whined through the entire thing and argued with the professor every time he took points off your proofs). Even with that one core level course, your view of Math is still one based completely on Calculus, don’t pretend you understand what the field of math is more than anyone else.</p>
<p>I know, I noticed that too. From an online dictionary…</p>
<p>sub·si·dy (sbs-d)
n. pl. sub·si·dies
Monetary assistance granted by a government to a person or group in support of an enterprise regarded as being in the public interest.
Financial assistance given by one person or government to another.
Money formerly granted to the British Crown by Parliament.</p>
<p>You see what I’m saying? I have to be skeptical that you got anything out of a Real Analysis course if you don’t know enough about a language you’ve been speaking since you learned to walk to know to not use words like subsidy if you don’t know their meanings; if you talk about how engineers are so great at integration and how no other majors know anything about it; that you talk with such authority about CS when you in reality don’t have the slightest clue what CS is about; etc.</p>
<p>It doesn’t instill confidence. Neither does your refusal to accept you were wrong about CS being a bad major due to offshoring threats even in the face of hard data from a reputable source. I can’t help but wonder if you’re not the proverbial teenager in Boise, ID who couldn’t figure out a merge sort and is taking it out on CS.</p>
<p>Auburn and panther( someone who just happens to be lonely enough to butt in on this thread), both you guys are full of dried dung. Auburn, your generalizing that I did not take RA, what makes you say that? Are you a shrink? Can you see sense intelligence? Are you a flying piece of elephant dung? ( panther is)</p>
<p>Auburn, are you like a mystic priest? you see things that others dont. When did I say other majors dont know anything- If you cant prove that don’t say anything else, your dignity is at stake and yours charms might turn against you :)</p>
<p>Dung means sh+t by the way. I have no respect for people who are full of themselves. Throughout this thread people like panther( lonely idiot, get a girl and stop butting into my posts) and Auburn made jokes of EE as a whole. I said CS in MY school, not the world are bad. If the average class score was 71 and i ended up with an 84, I am better than the majority of CS students taking that class. </p>
<p>Flipping a coin? Study probability. It would make sense to flip a coin between drinking orange juice or eating an orange itself. CS and EE are majors that are linked but are in no way the same when it comes to life post graduation. </p>
<p>CS in my school stop math at DE. We have to take 4 more courses. So if you end up taking RA, thats your path and does not reflect the curriculum for regular CS students. RA isnt part of EE either. </p>
<p>How would you know if I had bad grades? Generalizing my academic competency based on my vocabulary is rubbish.</p>
<p>CS is probably a good choice for business minded people. It seems to take little investment for a CS based business. Google and MSFT is a good example.
CS is also and you cannot argue a path of a shaky career ladder. Same with EE’s in Semiconductor field, unpredictable. </p>
<p>I cant seem to understand how you still argue that CS is better than EE. Its not, you have to understand that.</p>
<p>"I cant seem to understand how you still argue that CS is better than EE. Its not, you have to understand that. "</p>
<p>No, no, no. This whole ****ing contest got started when you said that CS was prone to outsourcing when EE wasn’t, I refuted that claim with factual evidence, and you couldn’t accept it.</p>
<p>CS and EE are two equally respectable, employable, and financially viable options for students interested in technology. That is what you need to understand. Trying to steer people away from CS for the reasons you mentioned is <em>lying</em>, in that the reasons you gave are not based on fact; in fact, the situation is the opposite. I will hit the highlights again, if you wish, but every reason you gave for choosing EE over CS was bogus, and all I wanted to do was to demonstrate you had no knowledge of what you were talking about, so others wouldn’t be infected by your ignorance.</p>
<p>greenvision, the reason we don’t believe in your ability to pass Real Analysis isn’t just your vocabulary, it’s the whole attitude you’ve been taking throughout this thread. You push stupid ideas that some naive people will believe, yet can’t back it up with anything besides “CS is — oh just **** it” and other circular arguments that don’t mean anything. </p>
<p>But I will stop butting in on your thread and continue to fly out of elephants’ asses. At least that’s not prone to outsourcing.</p>
<p>greenvision: go find one piece of evidence that says that jobs which are normally done by CS majors are more prone to outsourcing than jobs done by EE majors. Go find one piece of evidence that says there are more jobs for EE majors than there are for CS majors. Go find one piece of evidence that says that EE majors make more money at their jobs than CS majors. Go find one piece of evidence that EE majors get jobs with higher job satisfaction than CS majors do.</p>
<p>What counts as evidence? Unbiased studies from third-party organizations whose job it is to know these things. Forums, anecdotes, and other forms of bullspit don’t really count.</p>
<p>My son grduated last year with a degree in Computer Engineering (EE/CS). He has found this a great major- you can do hardware/software etc. He said that he is currently a software engineer- but he is working on embedded software applications for Qualcomn and his knowledge of the hardware from the EE portion of his degree helps him when he writes code. Also, he feels like he is more employable and versatile- because he could also design hardware- but he really enjoys what he is doing- so if you can’t be a CE then take both types of classes- do some internships and see what you truly enjoy more!! Good luck!</p>
<p>CE is a good option for somebody who likes both hardware and software. It might be exactly what the OP is looking for in terms of getting what he wants out of it.</p>
<p>Of course, you pay for the breadth of courses and versatility of the CE degree with the lost depth of focus. This is of absolutely no concern to me, but some people care about it more than others. All I mean to say is a CE cannot know as much about CS as a CS major would know, and cannot know as much about EE as an EE major would know. But they do know more than enough about both fields to do work in either, and as such, is a great option. I feel like focus can wait until graduate school anyway, but…</p>
<p>I would recommend looking at what kind of jobs are available for new graduates in both EE and CS. Not every EE major is going to be designing Intel’s next CPU. Not every CS major is going to be working for Google. You might be surprised to find out what a bulk majority of EE or CS jobs actually are.</p>
<p>If you do well, income should be a non-issue as you should land a good paying job with either major.</p>
<p>That’s a good point. It’s all too easy to assume that the college major determines the career, and even easier to assume that all majors get the glamorous and sought-after jobs in their field.</p>
<p>Hope no one gets mad at me for bumping this, but after reading this thread, I need help to choose what I really want to major in.</p>
<p>Right now I’m an EE at UCLA. I’m taking EE1, which is an electromagnetic course, and CS31, which is an intro programming course. I find both courses enjoyable and both courses are very easy and come naturally to me.</p>
<p>The two top options are EE with CS pathway, or Computer Science and Engineering. I enjoy Math and I’m looking to also obtain a double major in Applied Math, which seems to aid both EE and CS majors. Another option would be to take EE with the CS pathway and double major in Computational Mathematics.</p>
<p>I’m interested in making money, at the same time I want to enjoy what I’m doing as well.</p>
<p>What kind of things to EE and CS majors do? Their career paths etc. The advantages/disadvantages and all that. Could someone please help me out without the EE bashing. I really just want become more informed of the majors and careers to make the best choice. </p>
<p>I read most of the thread until it degenerated into a complete flamewar, but I’ll throw my opinion into the mix.</p>
<p>First of all, I think its important to distinguish science from engineering. The reason you see people clash when debating the values of science and engineering is that they are opposing ideologies, really. I think this website has a fairly good comparison: [Engineering</a> and Science](<a href=“http://www.ljkamm.com/eng-sci.htm]Engineering”>http://www.ljkamm.com/eng-sci.htm)</p>
<p>In short, scientists are motivated to learn to advance science; learning for the purpose of furthering human and personal knowledge is the goal - the thrill of discovery. Engineers are motivated to learn to design things; how can I use what’s already known to make new stuff?</p>
<p>Computer Science is, obviously, a science! It’s concerned with understanding the theory of computation and algorithms. You will pick up a few pragmatic (“real-world” skills) along the way, such as programming, but that is not the ultimate purpose of CS as a field. It’s not about teaching students to program, fix printers, setup networks, or doing anything inherently useful; it’s learning how to explore and think about problems. Anyone who says you shouldn’t go into CS because programmers are being outsourced has absolutely no idea what CS is.</p>
<p>Electrical Engineering, as with all other engineering fields, is concerned with designing cool stuff. If the purpose of higher education is to train students for work in industry, engineering is the field that most closely meets that goal. If you want to graduate with a bachelor’s degree and start working, this is great choice. </p>
<p>My advice? Decide what personality you align most with. Would you rather do cutting-edge research or use the research to design new stuff? Both require a great deal of creativity to stand out from the herds. Keep in mind my opinion is that of a CS grad student, and I enjoy both the research and design.</p>