<p>In California, among those who attend either Stanford, Berkeley, USC, or UCLA, it’s pretty common to have another family member who attended another one of these institutions. They’re all pretty popular schools and there are plenty of alumni living with those degrees throughout the state. There are plenty of families with a Berkeley and UCLA grad (e.g. mine) families who have people who have gone to both USC and Stanford; married couples who are from rival schools (e.g. USC and UCLA; Stanford and Cal) and so on. I know someone who went to UCLA, as did her parents, while her sister’s going to Stanford. Among Californians, all these universities have a strong relationship with each other.</p>
<p>These universities all compete with each other to get students in the state. So, if one wanted to stay in California, and go into the stem field, Berkeley and Stanford are very good options. (albeit the latter’s admissions are much more competitive than the former.) Different students might pick or not pick these schools for various reasons: for the former it might be because they have a better program; or, due to living in the bay area, they’re the less expensive option. Positions for the latter might include fit, living expenses, freedom from parents (applies to both sides) and so on. All these schools compete with each other (although again, Stanford’s more in a league of its own.)</p>
<p>Is it like that for midwest universities too? like does one person go to Michigan whereas the other goes to Purdue, and so on? (genuinely curious since i actually have no idea.)</p>
<p>(Note: I excluded Caltech for two reasons: 1) it’s acceptance rate is very low and 2) it’s a very specialized school.)</p>
<p>Many of the better students go to one of the Big Ten schools or Chicago, WashU, ND and a few others. In Chicago suburbs football saturdays bring out many flags of the Big Ten and a few others like ND. Many do go to a nearby OOS school. UW, UM and IU are most popular.</p>
<p>Yes, there are a lot of Midwestern families where one child goes to Illinois and the other goes to Michigan or the parents went to Northwestern but the kids go to Wash U.</p>
<p>There are more high-caliber schools (mid-sized or larger) in the Midwest and Illinois actually has more competitors. WashU, Notre Dame, Northwestern, UChicago, Wisconsin and Michigan are good examples. Also, kids interested in business may pick Indiana and Indiana kids interested in engineering may choose the in-state Purdue. </p>
<p>Also, my guess is Californian kids would have a higher tendency to stay in-state because there’s really no good OOS alternatives within the 1000-mile radius.</p>
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<p>Appreciate the link. I’ve been inactively trying to find this for a little while. I knew you were the unofficial cc gatekeeper of this link, and I probably should have searched your history for the it, or PM’ed you. And I stated that Illinois has better CS and engineering depts in one of my previous posts, so I knew they were representative in STEM Bac’s -> PHD’s. </p>
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<p>I wished you asked me about this one beforehand; I would have advised against this post. As barrons stated, there are a lot of top-notch STEM u’s in the Big Ten. </p>
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<p>You’re talking about rankings. UCLA will always be competitive with SD and SB in these fields because its students are generally a bit better. But SD’s engineering students are excellent also. Not really much difference in quals of the admits to these specialties between Berk, SD, and UCLA. </p>
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<p>You’re somewhat mixing and matching, by including grad programs. That’s my only beef … keep going otherwise. </p>
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<p>I completely agree. Add this to your list: coeds, UCLA >>>>> Cal. Sorry if you’re female.</p>
<p>Btw, I thought Larry Ellison was more associated with Illinois than UofChicago. I knew he dropped out, but I thought it was from the former. I know that two of the three founders of Youtube are Illini grads.</p>
<p>How about, borrowed and never returned? I don’t think I ever challenged your repetitive statements, though I don’t know why you used the word, “stolen.” It’s just a stupid song and Cal plays it when its team plays UCLA, so how can it be stolen? Stolen copyright? So you have dueling bands playing the same song. Cal’s band kind of rushes through its playing of it, and UCLA’s plays it at the right tempo. And it’s not like UCLA’s band makes plenty of money off it. I said “plenty,” btw. Is this intelligent conversation that befits your mood?</p>
<p>I don’t subscribe to that; I think all u’s are different and not really comparable. That’s why we have these conversations to try to prove that they aren’t. </p>
<p>UCLA is a better professional-school feeder, though I’m sure Illinois is pretty good also.</p>
<p>Illinois is better in sending bac degree holders to PHD STEM programs, though UCLA is top-10 in pure numbers.</p>
<p>They aren’t at all alike. UCLA is Hollywood and kind of flashy; Illinois is small town seclusion, and midwest. Absolutely, though both are excellent academic universities. </p>
<p>I don’t think any of the UC’s are comparable; there are some more comparable, but all are unique. UCLA isn’t at all like Cal, and it is somewhere between like being like convivial SB, and somewhere like the academic juggernaut that Cal is. I think because of the prior, SB is at opposite poles as Cal, in my eyes. Davis is really unique with its science programs. Irvine and SD, in my eyes, are fairly similar but if you look closely at them, they have large differences also. Merced might be like a younger Riverside, but we’ll have to see. </p>
<p>So, I don’t buy into your notions. You can blanket all you want, but that’s just an easy way of not really participating.</p>
<p>The BS to PHD circuit of education in STEM certainly leads to many more benefits to society. And, as Im sure has been brought up before, the pure numbers each university produces in completions, the second list, is obviously more important than adjusting for undergrad enrollments, because the more STEM PHDs lead to societys betterment, though Cal Tech is certainly one of the more important STEM us because of their genius, and this probably leading to leadership, direction, etc. </p>
<p>Sorry to have dredged up a page-four post, I just wanted to append a note related to barron’s excellent link.</p>
<p>Congrats, beyphy on your graduation! Philosophy, I believe?</p>
<p>I watched just about all of the tube video in installments. Great ceremony…</p>
<p>Chancellor Block is really pushing the public-service aspect. Last year’s speaker was Aaron Williams, Director of the Peace Corp as well as this year’s speaker, Ms. Jackley. I’m not real familiar with the service aspect of her company, but I guess it helps the poor.</p>
<p>Thanks Drax! And yes, it was in philosophy :)</p>
<p>Jackley’s company gives microloans to people in poor countries to help them establish businesses, and thereby support themselves. I’m not sure if it’s profitable though. But Wikipedia isn’t for-profit and it’s a great company.</p>
<p>Very noble on Ms. Jackley’s part. It’s not like she’d be reaping rewards of ownership in returns, or so it seems. So it obviously has to be for world societal benefit. Very nice…</p>
As barrons stated, there are a lot of top-notch STEM u’s in the Big Ten. </p>