So apparently from what I read Georgia’s county health departments (which are actually state depts) will allow vaccines for under 65 without a doctors note if you let them tell you (I guess verbally) all the things that could possibly go wrong and you understand and agree you still want the vaccine. At least that’s the way I read it. My youngest is going to check it out next week.
Someone on my team just got Covid again after having it 2 months ago. I thought the immunity is good for 3+ months.
How severely?
A study in Japan mentioned upthread found variation in strength and durability of immune response to vaccination, with some getting only weak response and some getting immune response that fades quickly (versus others who get strong durable immune responses); it would not be surprising if immune response from infection also varies from one person to another.
He is a young guy. Last time he said he felt pretty horrible with fever and throat pain. This time is not as bad, but with more joint pain.
There is no “immunity”, never has been. (unlike vaccines for say, measles and chicken pox) The covid vax just keeps most peeps out of the hospital.
Not a doctor…I’ve been told that both vaccines and infections do provide immunity, but it is not absolute because viruses mutate.
My fil ended up in the hospital last weekend after testing positive for Covid. He has limited mobility, could no longer walk or take care of himself.
Due to the crisis, my husband spent extended time at the hospital with his parents, he dad had Covid and his mother had been ill so we are assuming that she had covid also. I spent the day with the in-laws on Saturday
Unlike the rest of the family, my husband and I had our Covid vaccines 3 weeks earlier. So far, we are not sick. Not out of the woods yet by a long shot, I’m really hoping our vaccinations are helping ![]()
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but also bcos the body’s response wanes over time. And the 3 months you reference, is really the average when the “immunity” (such that it is), starts to wane in the population. For some, it may be 2 months, for others it may be 4+.
Just doing the math, it takes 10+ days post vax to build the full defense, so ~2 months is a realistic assumption for personal immunity; not much if the intent is to avoid getting covid altogether. (I know several young docs that don’t think it is worth it for themselves, but still rec for their senior parents.). But even a waning response to getting covid still helps immensely to minimize serious illness.
The original Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 94% or so effective against infection by the original virus. Of course, some people were in the unlucky 6%, and the virus mutated under selective pressure (as more people got vaccinated against the original virus) so that it could still infect despite immunity against the original virus.
yes, that was their short Stage 3 trial, but:
“Later data on real-world effectiveness for adults showed that the protection from the mRNA two-dose primary series waned over time…”
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Of course, it was only a few months or less from general availability of the first vaccines that the Delta variant became dominant, probably because the original virus could not infect a vaccinated population that much.
I have never expected total protection from a virus from vaccines, only reduced severity. I was in the hospital with COVID two years ago just one month after the shot. I don’t think the match is ever 100% and with flu I have seen effectiveness in the high 20% range some years. I am still wearing a mask in stores and crowds! This year I am hoping the COVID vaccine is a better match and that has been discussed here.
I still wear a mask indoors except while eating or drinking. I only had COVID once and took Paxlovid right away and recovered quickly and uneventfully. I’m still very cautious because I don’t want to get really sick and especially don’t want long-covid because folks I know who have it are pretty miserable.
I also spray with Enovid (nitric oxide) as well as use daily Azelestin (antihistimine nasal spray), both of which are linked to killing viruses in your nasal passages. (I have been taking Azelstin for many years for my allergies.)
That is not correct. The sprays do not kill the virus. They likely act by preventing the virus from entering the cells.
Ok—I’m fine with the virus not entering my cells—thanks for the correction.
Speaking of virucidal devices:
https://www.geekwire.com/2025/seattle-startups-fda-approved-virus-neutralizing-mask-lands-on-amazon/
Those Singletto masks with methylene blue (which kills most viruses, bacteria, and fungi, but is relatively safe for humans) on them look like surgical type masks. Will they be better fitting than typical surgical type masks that leave unfiltered air gaps on the sides?
Probably better than using an antihistamine nasal spray, but that is just my wild guess. ![]()
I’m sure the main target customer is a healthcare worker exposed to contagious particulate and aerosols. Many of them wear surgical masks over their more protective masks. This would be a good piece of PPE to add to their “war chest.”
So..a mask impregnated with fishbowl cleaner !
‘Singletto has developed what it calls Oxafence Active Protection, a technology that uses methylene blue, a chemical known for its ability to kill viruses, bacteria and fungi. It’s also relatively safe for humans as methylene blue is used in the treatment of various health conditions.’
And vitamin B2 (riboflavin):