Most of the people I know (in my office/on my floor at work) probably were not vaccinated with the latest. In my office they were good with the first two, but interested waned after that. And city wide, our vax rate was super low so I would be doubtful that the people down the hall were vaccinated recently.
My parents (late 70s) did get the most recent booster and still got it on their cruise. They got paxlovid and were better pretty quickly. No rebound that I know of, but they just got back today (were gone 6 weeks)
Unvaxxed here. Had Covid first time in May of 2022. Achy, low grade fever. Got it right after Thanksgiving this year. One day of low grade fever. H never got but S did. Also low grade fever and some congestion. No one else at the T Day dinner came down with it so not sure where I got it.
ETA: neither DH nor S are vaxxed either. They both had it as well in May 2022.
DH got Covid over Thanksgiving. Has had most shots except for the last booster and newest strain vaccine.
I have had all versions, including latest one. I didnāt get Covid from DH despite taking basically no precautions. Obviously no way to know for sure why not. Iāve had it only once before, a year ago last July.
Weāre not in the UK. In the US, ājabā has been used pejoratively when it comes to the COVID vaccine.
Iāve had every shot and been exposed to multiple people, including my best friend on two separate trips where we were together 24/7. Iāve traveled internationally and cross country. Havenāt gotten COVID as far as I know.
And of course the flu and COVID shots are vaccines.
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It seems like some folks think itās only a vaccine if it offers individuals 100% protection from infection. But realistically none of the vaccines we use do that. What they offer is high group protection from infection when widely used and some level of individual protection when the group is not covered. That level for individuals varies by vaccine and by individual. Many vaccines require boosters. Somehow as COVID vaccines became a political issue rather than a public health one people seem to have forgotten how vaccines work.
I have had all shots including the latest. I was masking everywhere and still not eating indoors. I took one art class 5 weeks after the latest vaccine, got COVID from that one class where I didnāt mask, and was admitted to the hospital after a week of COVID.
Next time, if there is one, I will look into remdesivir because I could not tolerate Paxlovid. Clearly Paxlovid was working so for most vulnerable people, it is a godsend.
I can only speak of 100% in my familyās sample of 3 that got the latest jab (itās okay, we didnāt learn U.S.-flavored English either), and two havenāt gotten CoViD since 2021, one never at all - despite daily in-office / in-class schedules, in one case regularly spending face to face with some member of the public.
And the two that had it might not have even known based on 3 days of very mild flu-like symptoms, if they hadnāt tested for the benefit of those around them. No way to prove it, but to them it was affirmation of the (initial) vaccine working.
(FWIW, all of us consistently have 1 day of strong reactions to each booster.)
Yes - in the U.S. getting (a) āshotā doesnāt even cause a flinch.
Thank you to all who have replied with personal info.
I think those initial inoculations (is that an okay word?) did a pretty good job of preventing infection and illness. But it became clear that this thing mutates so quickly that at best we are a few variants behind by the time the update version hits the market.
We had gotten to the point where we thought DH was immune since heād never had it in spite of being around me when I did get it and having other exposures. But, clearly thatās not the case since he got his first case in the UK.
There are things that need to be discussed - without anger and without the need to wind up being RIGHT!! at all costs. The lack of information (at least from my attempts at searching) regarding serious cases and their inoculation status is disappointing. The disinterest by health authorities to continue to collect data is disheartening.
DH took Molnupiravirā¦which is a scary as heck drug. It is mutagenic, had several organizations warning against its use since there were indications it actually created new and possibly human to human transmissible variants. There are questions as to whether or not it integrates into host DNAā¦and yet, for us it was the right thing to do given the situation. But IMO people who took this should be tracked for years to see if there are actually negative (and potentially seriously negative) effects. I donāt think this is happening.
I can agree with that. So Iām also in the mindset āhow much does it really help now?ā I still like to think that it helps some, but who really knows. But getting a once a year booster with the flu shot doesnāt feel like a big deal to me, so for now, thatās my plan.
And it might be interesting to note that a couple of weeks before I got covid (from H) I caught something in Europe that turned into a sinus infection. I hadnāt had one of those in many years. Almost 10 probably. So my immune system was likely weaker than usual when I was exposed.
Extremely unlikely, close to zero percent chance. It is a ribonucleoside, not a deoxyribonucleoside (which are the building blocks of our DNA - the ādā comes from deoxy). Our cellular machinery is very sophisticated and has long learned not to incorporate anything ribo into our genetic code (as well as to repair any āmistakesā such as mismatches). A virus is not as sophisticated.
That said, you are correct that the concept of ālethal mutagenesisā which is designed to mutate the virus out of existence can potentially lead to some non-lethal mutations.
I think the initially round of inoculations - starting around March 2021 or so - were thought to shut down not only the virus itself but also transmission. At least that is how they were presented to the general public. But that protection didnāt last long.
I think we did the best we could with the info we had at the time. It just seems that now, given what weāve learned over the past 3 years it might be time for a more open discussion.
Going to leave it at that ā¦the risk of crossing into politics is too great. Again, thanks to everyone who engaged in an open exchange of ideas.
The initial round was preventing infections of the original variant. Back in the spring of 2021 things were looking up. Then Delta happened. It still makes me sad to think about it. And we havenāt seemed to catch up since. Canāt outrun mutation I guess.
