ok!!! if you want to know more about Temple, pm me,. my kid is there and really likes it. i noticed Temple mentioned in above post so that’s why i bring it up. i think Pitt is stronger in engineering than Temple though and my kid is communcations major, not eng. Still, he likely knows engineering students. interesting, my kid had a 650M and astronomical CR so maybe it is the 650 low score that killed both of their merit scholarship chances. Still, depending on your need based grant, Pitt may be in range of Bama. i seem to remember Bama would have cost around 20 to 22K with a full tuition scholarship. our out of pocket at Pitt following need based grant woudl have been around 24K. keep us posted!