Why do people hate israel?

[TippuSultan]

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Well then, isn’t it possible for the Jews and Palestinians there to achieve a measure of harmony? If it’s possible in the Old City, then isn’t it possible here? Indeed, if the settlers and Palestinians achieve peace amongst themselves without their governments, then that will have a terrific effect.

This is not possible because single nation for the entire region with equal rights is not acceptable to Israel. They fear that muslims multiply faster (as anywhere else) and eventually make it a muslim nation.</p>

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Too strong a statement. It implies that Israelis are sadists and murderers who live to kill Palestinians, which is obviously untrue (it would be untrue even to say that Hitler existed to kill all Jews).

I said settlers, not all Israelis. Most settlers are religious fanatics who have this vision of converting the whole region only for jews. They can make this happen by slowly eliminating or driving out Palestinians out of that region. What seems to happen is that a settlement gets expanded. Palestinians react, all Israelis get mad, Israeli army takes action and people like Nethanyahu get elected who in turn promote new settlements. This has been happening continuously since early 80’s.</p>

[rsaxena]

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This is not possible because single nation for the entire region with equal rights is not acceptable to Israel. They fear that muslims multiply faster (as anywhere else) and eventually make it a muslim nation.

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<p>If Israel indeed feels this way, then one can’t blame it. It is not an entirely invalid thought. Nevertheless, there are people on both sides who advocate the existence of two nations where all sorts of people can live in safety. </p>

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They can make this happen by slowly eliminating or driving out Palestinians out of that region. What seems to happen is that a settlement gets expanded. Palestinians react, all Israelis get mad, Israeli army takes action and people like Nethanyahu get elected who in turn promote new settlements. This has been happening continuously since early 80’s.

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<p>Maybe this is true, but even these fanatics know that it is impossible to drive out Palestinians altogether. Israel ultimately does things based on security perception. Netanyahu knows that as of now, the settlement expansion is not going to hurt Israel. He more likely sees it as preempting Palestinian terrorism; if the Israeli Army monitors Gaza’s and West Bank’s airspace and economic growth, he feels it’s good for Israeli security. The only fallout of this is protests in Europe and American and people saying Israel is morally wrong, which has no impact on Israel. </p>

<p>Also, historically, whenever Israel withdrew from Palestinian areas, Palestine did not respond with peace. For example, In 1993, after Israel made concessions to Palestine under the Oslo Accords, it ultimately resulted in the Second Intifada in 2000, which forced Israel to re-take Jericho and Hebron. In 2005, Israel withdrew unilaterally and completely from Gaza, and the only result was that the Hamas came to power in the following year. Would you still blame Israel’s behavior?</p>

[rsaxena]

<p>It’s also interesting to note that the person who started this discussion is no longer interested…:D</p>

[TippuSultan]

<p>I think we are going in circles and we will arguing forever about who started the cycle of violence. I think I gave my perspective to OP.</p>

[perfectpixie]

<p>Why is it that I sense furious use of google here? And I’m not pointing at Walking Talking xxxxxx this time. ;)</p>

<p>Sorry OP if my post makes no sense.</p>

[rsaxena]

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I think we are going in circles and we will arguing forever about who started the cycle of violence. I think I gave my perspective to OP.

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<p>True. It was still good talking though. Nice timepass in these boring days.</p>

[rsaxena]

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Why is it that I sense furious use of google here? And I’m not pointing at Walking Talking xxxxxx this time

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<p>No Google here am afraid. My sources are more than one, and Tippu was speaking out of personal experience as far as I could make out.</p>

<p>Anyway Tippu, thanks for replying to everything I said. I love international politics you see, and one of my prospective majors is IR. So I’m always open to discussions, no matter how long or how boring.</p>

[TippuSultan]

<p>u r welcome rsaxena. </p>

<p>Israel is such a small country but there is so much to see. I want to go back there.</p>

<p>What surprised me was the level of awareness Israelis had about India and Indian culture. Israelis we stayed with were very very nice people.</p>

[rsaxena]

<p>^I don’t understand why you went to Israel. A holiday? Not many consider Israel to be a tourist destination…</p>

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What surprised me was the level of awareness Israelis had about India and Indian culture. Israelis we stayed with were very very nice people.

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<p>Indeed. Israelis celebrate our independence day too. It certainly is marvelous, but then, politically and economically, Israel and India are very close allies.</p>

[AUGirl]

<p>I love Israel. On of my favorite places in the world. Taught me a lot about life.</p>

<p>I went there for the first time when I was six, and then again, when I was seven.</p>

<p>The first time it was so nice and peaceful… the second time… it was late fall 2000… and everything was scary and closed.</p>

<p>I feel for the people who live there, because you have to deal with so much It’s a truly terrifying thing that Americans don’t really have to deal with on a daily basis… or at all really.</p>

[Processtheology]

<p>I dislike isreal because it is a democracy. The same reason I dislike the American government.</p>