Why Do People Hate USC?

TritonBruin · June 15, 2005, 1:04pm

By the way, $38,500 includes housing for out of staters at UCLA. The last time I checked, housing wasn’t free at USC.

RefreshF5 · June 15, 2005, 1:07pm

and do you know how hard it is to get financial/scholarships at a UC from out of state. Most people will pay more at UCLA from out of state even if on paper it costs less.

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 1:13pm

“The last time I checked, housing wasn’t free at USC.”

Nope. I think that with housing, it cost maybe 42-43 thousand dollars a year to go to USC. What is that-- six thousand more than UCLA for an out of state student? And didn’t caligurl and I repeatedly mention the fantastic financial aid that USC-- as a private institution with a massive financial endowment-- can provide to its students who demonstrate financial need?

I think there are a great many cases in which out-of-state students who attend USC pay substantially LESS for being a Trojan than they would have for being a Bruin. It’s that “private institution with a massive financial endowment” thing again. People can b**ch and moan about the cost of USC all they want. It is a fact that USC always fufills demonstrated financial aid for its students. They give over 200 scholarships. 60% of its students are on some form of financial aid. The other 40% pay full tuition because they want to be there and are willing to pay. Simple.

“Grow up PEALS-05. You need a timeout? I sense a hissy fit coming.”

Oh, boo hoo. I write that big whole post in response to you, explaining the out-of-state tuition thing and clearing up the whole U Penn thing-- and YOU can’t even find something relevant to say in return/defense?

I don’t need to grow up. When you can’t admit that you were wrong-- as I stated you were in that post-- that’s when you need to learn to suck it up.

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 1:18pm

“They have the best cheerleaders.”

<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/media/2005bball_05.jpg[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/media/2005bball_05.jpg</a> (they look cute when they’re smiley)

<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/media/2005bball_11.jpg[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/media/2005bball_11.jpg</a>

<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/media/2004fball_11.jpg[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/IMREC/spirit/song/media/2004fball_11.jpg</a>

Compare to a UCLA cheerleader… <a href=“http://ibleedtrojanred.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=fUCLA&id=arealbruin[/url]”>http://ibleedtrojanred.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=fUCLA&id=arealbruin</a>

No, I’m just kidding. I’ve visited UCLA a few times and Bruins aren’t unattractive… but the Trojan Song Girls are better.

TritonBruin · June 15, 2005, 1:29pm

It’s official! Thanks for solidifying my point that you are having a hissy fit. Don’t start a thread if you can’t stand the heat. You asked a question and people responded. Take your own advice and suck it up. You might be one of the reasons “Why People Hate USC.”

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 1:39pm

… the fact that you were wrong about my Penn statement and the tuiton statement.

“It’s official! Thanks for solidifying my point that you are having a hissy fit.”

Uh… what just solidified it? While reading my most recent posts, did you get the feeling I was somehow yelling, screaming at you and ripping my hair out (i.e. having a hissy fit)? I just posted in response to you, and then I posted a response to poog about… USC cheerleaders. My goodness, I must be in a very bad mood! I must be having a hissy fit, you know, when I posts things about attractive cheerleaders!

“Don’t start a thread if you can’t stand the heat. You asked a question and people responded. Take your own advice and suck it up. You might be one of the reasons “Why People Hate USC.””

No, I did stand the heat. I keep responding to whomever posts, with my defenses. I post lenghtily and with detail. You don’t, because you don’t have any defenses.

You’re annoying. You’re one of the reasons why people hate Bruins-- always finding some fault with USC, and then not admitting and acknowledeging it when you are proven wrong. You still haven’t responded towards the tuition “proof” and my explanation about my Penn statement.

You’re obviously just, for some reason, totally biased against USC. What happened? Did you have an unfortunate, Trojan-related experience as a young child? Boo hoo. I saw that on another thread you ranked USC below UCs like UCI. UCI is a good school, but your ranking’s just plain jacked up.

You’re just dodging my explanations and resorting to insults against me because you don’t know how to properly respond. It’s pretty lame.

slipper1234 · June 15, 2005, 1:47pm

California people are on their own planet. Bring up USC in comparison to the top 25 anywhere else in the country and no one will say they compare.

shrek2004 · June 15, 2005, 2:02pm

peals - you cant compare upenn and usc. unlike upenn, although there is partying like at every other school, upenn’s partying does not cloud is academic reputation. people dont apply to upenn thinking “wow this is as great party school”. although i dont believe usc is a party school and yes it is a good school, its past reputation continues to shadow its rapidly changing transformation as a school. you asked why people dislike usc. people are giving you answers. all these reputations of usc still exist and outside of california, or should i say socal, usc still maintains its reputation as a second-grade school even though that certainly may not be the case anymore. a number of students from my school will be enrolld in the marshall world business (or somethign to that extent) program and they are pretty good students. but even then, they still chose usc because they want partying. its reputation still precedes its academic strength but we all know usc is quickly trying to change that reputation.

in comparison to ucla, ucla has always been one of the nation’s foremost universities and being one of the top public schools in the nation gives it a lot of attention. usc has not been privileged to enjoy this academic reputation in the past.

TritonBruin · June 15, 2005, 2:21pm

“Did you have an unfortunate, Trojan-related experience as a young child? Boo hoo.”

Haha. I thought this was pretty funny. Yes, I did actually. They kept sending me junk mail and propaganda. No, means no.

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 2:30pm

“They kept sending me junk mail and propaganda. No, means no.”

Anyone can “disdain” a school and find it “inferior,” as you feel USC is. But usually when one feels a school is inferior they simply dismiss it.

When they choose to go out of their way to insult, deride and argue over its proposed lack of merits-- really continuing to insult it as you enjoy doing-- it always seems to be more of a personal issue.

What did USC ever do to you personally besides sending you “junk mail”? Do you insult EVERY school that sends you their guides/literature? Because if you simply enjoy insulting it for the sake of insulting an “inferior” school, you’re even more of a loser than I previously pegged you to be.

“Haha. I thought this was pretty funny.”

No. What’s pretty funny is that YOU NEVER ADDRESS the correctness and validity of my previous explanations concerning tuition and the Penn statement. Like I said, you don’t know how to bring up defenses or arguments. Like I said, you keep dodging it with some other insult towards either me or USC. Like I said: lame.

kfc4u · June 15, 2005, 2:34pm

“Well it might amaze you to find out that I only listed USC’s most well-known and most developed strenghts. I highlighted film, accounting, business and journalism as USC’s academic strengths because those disciplines are counted as the best or among the best in the nation. Did you know that USC is strong in other disciplines too, such as foreign languages and international relations ('SC has the oldest School of IR in the entire nation)?”

No, I am not amazed because I already know USC’s strengths aren’t limited to the pre-professional programs that you’ve listed. But that’s not the point. The point is, MANY OTHER PEOPLE don’t know about USC’s other strengths. All colleges with an academic reputation are known to be good in something. You clearly proved my point in listing business, film, etc. as USC’s main strengths, which is what it is known for, and those majors aren’t thought up of as “academic” (i.e. science, social sciences).

By the way, you’ve accused me before of not reading your posts closely but I would appreciate it if you read MY posts more closely too. (I said why “PEOPLE think UCLA is superior to USC academically.” I even highlighted in the beginning of my post that some of my arguments are not personal opinions but my understanding of society’s views of USC.) Thanks.

"I highlighted its football and track team for instance, because they were the best or near the best in those two sports. Did you know they have a pretty good water polo team too? "

Yes I am a sports fan and I am well aware that USC is good in water polo (both mens and womens… women won national championship last year) as well as many other sports. Yes I do know that USC ranks #1 in most men’s team championships and #3 overall. So you don’t need to bring in the athletic argument. But in the event that you’re thinking of using it to argue that USC is better than UCLA, think again because UCLA is #1 overall on team championships and defeated USC this year in the Lexus Gauntlet.

“If you’re going to lecture me about using US News as a “Bible”, I’d hope you’d do it to any other person, and not just a person you have some issues with in terms of her opinions (me).”

Look, I don’t have issues with your opinions. What I am trying to say is just because a school is ranked a certain number on US News does not mean that it is absolutely in that same position in real life. USC is #30 on US News… in real life, it might be better, it might be worse. The same goes for every other college, and rankings fluctuate every year anyway.

"If you’re going to make a statement about the USC application-- and I’ll assume that you are talking about the most recent one-- then you’d better be able to back that statement up: explain why it’s such a joke, and compared to what other colleges. "

Haha chill out, this is my personal opinion okay? I even stated that it was my personal opinion. But since you want me to justify my own opinion… I am talking about the 2004 application, so sorry if I am outdated. When I was applying to colleges, USC’s application to me was the easiest one to complete, and instead of say, an extra short response, it has a “favorites” section. Though fun and unique, it was not as thought-provoking to me as a short response would be. My comparison is based on the UC’s, several Ivies, and several other colleges in the US News top 25. This DOES NOT follow that USC is being compared to an Ivy, but merely that I applied to both because USC was in my academic range and the Ivies were reaches that I wanted to try.

TritonBruin · June 15, 2005, 2:37pm

Yes, I am the loser. I posted a thread for people to reply and now I am crying about it. Get real.

kfc4u · June 15, 2005, 2:41pm

posted by Shrek2004: “its reputation still precedes its academic strength but we all know usc is quickly trying to change that reputation.”

seriously PEALS-05, we are not here to argue why we hate USC, but to simply answer your question and explain why PEOPLE/THE PUBLIC “hates” or underappreciates USC. you can defend it all you want and i know you have a lot of school spirit, and that’s great, but it won’t change anything because USC’s academic reputation has not caught up with its “other” reputation that has spawned those other nicknames for “usc.”

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 2:44pm

“California people are on their own planet. Bring up USC in comparison to the top 25 anywhere else in the country and no one will say they compare.”

Why is only USC subject to the theory that California people are different-minded and value CA universities to an unfounded degree? Do you think that a person from Tennesse or a person from Kansas or Rhode Island would think that, say, UCSD is that great? But UCSD is highly respected in California.

Why would you single out USC as evidence that CA people are on their own planet? I would think that there would be many to argue that the whole UC system-- including Berk and UCLA-- are evidence that CA people value “their” unis to an unfounded and incomparable degree. Do you think that everyone on the East coast would consider UCLA on par with a Northern school like Columbia?

There are lots of stories of CA people going to the East coast/the South and being shocked that people don’t respect Berk or UCLA or UCSD as much as CA people did, for obvious reasons. While they’re respected outside CA, they aren’t always held to the higher, more prestigious regard as they are IN CA. THAT’S an example of “California people living on their own planet.” Not with USC.

“anywhere else in the country and no one will say they compare”

Oh really? Is that right? Do you have evidence to back that up, slipper? Can you please go to every single state in the nation and ask people there if USC is comparable to a few of the schools in the top 25, and be assured you will always get a “no”?

Can you please do some research and find out what sort of top 25 schools students give up to attend USC instead? Then will you be able to back up the statement that there aren’t people out there who not only believe the schools compare, but that USC surpasses some of those schools?

Don’t make giant blanket statements unless you can back them up. And you can’t.

zeusviolin · June 15, 2005, 2:47pm

“You can’t be a jock party school and be ranked 30th in the nation.”

I disagree. The Univeristy of Wisconsin-Madison is known as one of the biggest party schools in the nation, yet it has still maintained a USNWR ranking of 34. That’s only 4 spots away from USC.

zeusviolin · June 15, 2005, 2:55pm

I forgot one thing. You need to stop ragging on people who go against your beliefs when you yourself started this thread. It almost seems like you started it because you wanted to bait people into saying negative things about USC so that you could flame them. So grow up. USC is a great school, but there are good and bad things about every school in the country as well as stereotypes that correspond to (mostly) the negative aspects of a school. Get over it.

yellowpages · June 15, 2005, 3:09pm

I really think this thread is unneccesary. Arguing about what positives/negatives USC has won’t change any minds. Like zeusviolin said, USC has both it’s good and negative sides. The importance is that the school is working on its good sides and trying to limit its bad sides.

Peals, I understand where you’re coming from. I love USC-- I’m going there next year, and I’ve heard some of the comments made by my UCLA/Berkeley-loving high school classmates. Just do what I do: ignore them. All that matters is that I know why I made my choice to attend this school, and anybody else who really cares about USC will know, too.

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 3:09pm

“seriously PEALS-05, we are not here to argue why we hate USC, but to simply answer your question and explain why PEOPLE/THE PUBLIC “hates” or underappreciates USC”

Well, I know you, kcfu, are doing that (answering my question). There are other people, however coughTritonBruincough that are overtly insulting. That’s why I respond in an overtly insulting manner back.

PEALS-05 · June 15, 2005, 3:13pm

“It almost seems like you started it because you wanted to bait people into saying negative things about USC so that you could flame them. So grow up. USC is a great school, but there are good and bad things about every school in the country as well as stereotypes that correspond to (mostly) the negative aspects of a school. Get over it.”

I didn’t know caring to inform people of a few of their misguided opinions was considered flaming. In fact, I thought it was rather grown-up of me to take the effort to explain why certain ignorant opinions were wrong. :P

Sure there are great and bad things about every school. But I don’t see any other school’s face getting repeatedly ground into all the “bad” like USC does.

Since you’re from a Claremont-- Scripps-- I doubt you know what it’s like to have people always criticizing and deriding your school-- to your face. So maybe it’s harder to “get over it” than you are able to imagine.

Oh wait— weren’t you the one that blew up at someone who said that Pitzer was a good school in comparison to Scripps? That Pitzer kids weren’t very smart or hard-working and that you were insulted that they would be compared to Scripps? I think it was you. So you get over it.

kfc4u · June 15, 2005, 3:14pm

“It almost seems like you started it because you wanted to bait people into saying negative things about USC so that you could flame them.”

haha. PEALS-05, asking why people hate USC will only give you negative responses, whether they are correct or not.

it would’ve been more productive if you started a thread on the POSITIVES of USC. besides, that was one of your goals right, to get people to focus on the school’s positives instead of always emphasizing its negatives?

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