Why do some people treat art class as if it's a joke?

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There’s your answer, AnimeGirl. High school students are immature. They work for grades. If a brilliant student who applies her talent gets the same high grade as a slacker who doesn’t have an eye for aesthetics, yes, the grading system is unrewarding. Immature high school students call the whole class a joke, rather than just the grading system, because they are too shortsighted to look beyond the most readily available and official-looking form of external “validation”. If differences in achievement within a class are not represented adequately by differences in grading, then it’s apparently impossible to know how well the student did and therefore the student is just taking getting through school the easy way.</p>

<p>That kind of thinking is what keeps so many young adults socially and emotionally stunted when they progress from an environment that shelters them from the need to do any high-level thinking, into a world where more mature people (i.e. almost everyone) recognize quality of work without a letter attached to it.</p>

<p>Wow. I’m jealous of all of these “joke” art classes. I took art my freshman year, and it sucked; only kids who planned on going to art colleges (aka, had the skill and dedication to be really good at art) got As, while the rest got Bs and below (myself being one such person). All of the art classes in my school are like that. </p>

<p>Not to mention my teacher killed any enjoyment I derived from creating art.</p>

<p>@lldm21: oh my god, same for our school. Like at our school, the kids that take art classes are the kids who complete [and do well!] at state, and often even proceed to nationals. If you take art class at the school I go to without being, like, really good, you’re guaranteed a B- or below.</p>

<p>I think it depends on the school. I respect the people who take Art at my school especially IB Art. IB Art is probably one of the hardest classes at my school and I wouldn’t take it for a joke. I don’t think it negatively impacts your chances to get into top colleges though. Mos people don’t take 7 or 8 AP classes in a year. It’s unreasonable. Taking Art looks the best when you show outside interest in Art like being in Art club or doing competitions.</p>

<p>Art actually was my lowest grade when I had to take it in middle school.</p>

<p>Art class is not a joke if you suck at art, at least in my school district.</p>

<p>I disagree that art classes will really hurt your college admissions, but I do think the classes are very easy and everyone can get an A if they try. If you don’t plan to do something art-related or if you have no art ECs, it might look better if you had taken a rigorous class during that space.</p>

<p>On the other hand, if your ECs are all very art-focused (art awards, volunteering in art programs, etc.), choosing art classes in high school is probably expected.</p>

<p>I don’t know if it’s just that the art teachers at my high school were very strict and demanding, but I took art for three years and I didn’t consider it to be an easy “A”. I am actually going to college to major in studio art; I’ve even entered art fairs and have successfully sold some of my paintings. </p>

<p>I think that demonstrates my capabilities as an artist. But even I didn’t get many "A"s in high school art classes. I got an “A” in Art I; in Art II Honors and Art III Honors, I only received "B"s. I had to work harder in those art classes than I did in the core subjects. I think many of the people that consider art to be an easy “A” haven’t actually taken art classes.</p>

<p>if you’re serious about art, it’s one thing, but most art classes and electives are just easy A’s where you don’t learn anything. taking AP art is different then, say, taking a Ceramics class where all you have to do is make a bowl out of clay. no one really cares if you can do the latter</p>

<p>it’s a shame though, because art classes largely vary from school to school. more intense or rigorous art classes should be classified as accelerated or maybe honors classes. just because it’s art doesn’t mean it’s “not worthy.” unfortunately, most art classes in American high schools ARE unworthy, and that’s where the generalization comes from.</p>

<p>In my school right now, art is a subject taken seriously, thankfully. The people who actually have a passion for art get the A+s, while everyone else gets Bs, depending on amount of effort shown. I think it just depends on the school-unfortunately, this fluctuation means that yes, some people will treat art as a joke.</p>

<p>…because art “class” is a joke…</p>

<p>Is taking an honors art class good? I’ve taken art all 3 years (I’m a junior at the moment) and I really want to take an art class next year. I’m like 7th in my class so it’s safe to assume that I do take school seriously, but I don’t want colleges to think that I’m trying to slack off by taking four years of art. I don’t plan on being an artist though. I want to do premed or study biology in college so would it be better to take an honors art class or engineering honors (I’m interested in this course but I don’t plan on being an engineer)?</p>

The thing is, you get as much out of a class as you put in. People that screw around all class probably aren’t going to develop the skill set needed to be successful in that career. If you feel you can excel in an art class, then take it. It’s a valuable skill to have artistic ability. Plus, having a class that you will enjoy will be a good break from some of the harder classes you will take. Colleges will notice you more if you diversify yourself, and not be one of the AP drones many people are. Most colleges really don’t care if you take 6 AP’s as opposed to 8. And people may tell you not to, but I would highly recommend it. Would you rather take 8 AP’s and be unbelievably stressed your junior and senior year, or take 6 Ap’s, and a class you love? Taking one or two extra AP’s, or any other class for that matter, will not make or break your chances of getting into any college. Fill that class with what you enjoy.

I think it depends on the person. To a person thinking of going to an engineering school, that person would think art classes are a total joke. However, artistic people with a passion in art exist and that’s why there are prestigious art schools for those people. Same exact reasons why there are prestigious engineering schools or music schools. I’ve heard that RISD is an amazing art school, and last year only one senior got into Brown and did the partner program with RISD because he can “art”. Seriously, a regular student taking art can’t just get into RISD, you have to be amazing. There are other art schools with higher acceptance rates and less known programs but if you get into RISD my friend who’s the artsy types will be so jealous.

Professional schools of art (including those as part of a university program) will require three things: 1) high GPA; 2) High SAT/ACT; 3) a quality portfolio consisting of 12 - 20 pieces of visual artwork using a variety of media. Art school at the college level is no joke. The foundation year itself is usually 25 + hours of class/studio time per week with many assignments worked on long into the evening hours. The critiques can be brutal so even if the school gives all A’s (which they typically do NOT) it doesn’t matter because your progress depends on the feedback you get in your critique. Art schools do tend to have admission rates of over 50% (RISD, Cooper Union and CalArts being the exceptions) but that has more to do with their specialty nature (not a lot of kids apply to a dedicated art program at the post-secondary level). Also, for some of the highest admission rates a number of kids wash out and transfer after their first year. In art school, what really matters is whether they’ve given you a scholarship - that typically means you are considered a much better prospect, will survive foundation year, graduate on-time, and make a living as an artist/designer. To get a scholarship you really have to meet the three-fold criteria above.

Yes, RISD is a highly selective program (25% - 30% acceptance rate depending on the year) and the RISD/Brown dual degree program is uber-hard to get into: you have to be accepted both to RISD and to Brown separately, then to the Dual Degree Program itself. (That’s three admission applications and three separate admissions decisions, folks).

Regarding high school art, most college prep programs will allow for an elective and students take a variety of those: art, music, drama/theater, engineering, psychology, creative writing, yearbook, etc. I’m not sure how a selective college would view any of those absent an effort by the student to use the elective to make him/herself a better educated more interesting person. Do you blow off your time in choir or are you one of the kids who enters the competitions and music festivals? How are you using the design principles from engineering to originate ideas to help industry/society? My D had kids in her AP Euro. class this year who took it as a joke (although I highly doubt they are getting A’s). They also blew off the AP exam but today while the rest of the class is watching a movie and having a party, they have to take a final. I doubt it will be an easy test either.

High School Art (and musical performance or drama) class should be an easy A for most kids because it’s based on effort rather than raw talent. At that level it’s really more about trying to master concepts and improve skill. It should be a fun exercise in creativity and imagination (resting that “academic” side of the brain) for those who are not planning to pursue the arts beyond their HS years. But if your instructor isn’t docking you for dashing off a thoughtless assignment (believe me, they CAN tell) or not handing it in they are doing you a major disservice.

HS art teachers will tell you that these creative subjects are extremely important for ALL students. I think aspiring engineers especially would love to take something that isn’t calculus or physics for a change. Down the road, you will probably be involved in design of some kind and that’s where the big-picture thinking from your creative classes combined with your analytical skill and knowledge of math and science will help you enormously. Many industrial designers were once kids who straddled the fence between art and engineering.

One word about AP art: professional schools of art will not accept any AP studio credits (although they do tend to accept AP lit, AP math and/or science, and maybe AP history of some sort to satisfy a portion of your liberal arts requirements). They MAY accept AP Art History. But the level of skill in studio is so different between the high school and the colleges of art that while they EXPECT you to take all the AP art classes your school offers - and they expect you to get an “A” in those - they don’t tend to accept the credits. That speaks volumes as to the difference in quality and expectations between the high school level and the professional/college level of art. The latter is for students who really wish to pursue the subject in an intense and dedicated manner.

Finally, it makes sense that most regular college and university admission committees will relegate these creative electives to the subjective or “wholistic” side of your admission decision and take a good hard look at just a few subjects when assessing your “academic side”. Those subjects - Math, Science, History, English, sometimes foreign language - are far more likely to be standard across schools and students in grading, in curricula, etc. Plus, the variety of electives is wildly diverse and totally depends on the size of the school, whether it’s public or private, etc. However, the math and science offerings for the college prep track are going to be pretty standard and comparable to what other schools are offering. So just remember when you send off your transcripts that the admissions committee is going to dissect that GPA. A transcript with low academic marks is going to be viewed less favorably than a transcript with high ones, regardless of what else is being taken. While elective grades matter, they may be viewed more in the context of whether the student was really trying to get something out of the class (i.e. effort). But a C in Chem will be viewed in the context of academic aptitude as well as effort.