<p>Makes sense. I was just wondering if the <10% figure is accurate for those who get scholarship notice/early admissions among Dec. 1 applicants.</p>
<p>No, <10% is far too large a percentage. <5% is more accurate. Last year there were 22,000 who applied by the scholarship deadline with 4.5% (1,000) notified in the early round. That includes the Dean’s Scholarship awardees. The percentage will be below 4% this year.</p>
<p>I always agree with alamemom, because basically she knows everything. But in this case (conjecture), I think I’d estimate (I predicted this # on another thread a few weeks ago) that about 45,000 students applied to USC this year. I based that totally made up number by increasing last year’s 37,000 by roughly 22% which is consistent with other schools’s sudden app rise the year they began using the CA. I also am guessing that USC will not increase the total admitted since they have consistently over-enrolled the past five years. </p>
<p>So 8500 (my guess at total admitted) over 45,000 applicants (my guess at total applicants) would give an admissions rate of 18.88%.</p>
<p>We’re just guessing here and I’m sure once all the numbers are reported in several months, you-know-who (alamemom) will be right again. :)</p>
<p>Seahawks,
SC is considered highly selective. It is a Tier I university. Here are the exact numbers from the 2011 profile:</p>
<p>Number of seniors applied: 37,210</p>
<p>Number admitted: 8566</p>
<p>Number of National Merit Scholars in freshmen class: 247 Enrolled</p>
<p>Admit rate was 23% for freshmen. I checked and the class entering in 2008 had an admit rate of 22%. That year 7,875 were admitted. So there is some variation of numbers admitted.</p>
<p>Faculty student ratio 1/9</p>
<p>Retention percentage of freshmen 97%</p>
<p>Number of transfer applicants for 2011: 9611
If you add the two number last year there were 46,821 students who had an interest in USC.</p>
<p>Thanks, guys. I feel really lucky potentially being part of the 4% if I get the Dean’s scholarship. I know for almost certain I’d choose USC over Emory, Vanderbilt, and Berkeley. It seems like with this CA switch USC will shoot up the rankings/ layman’s prestige, although that doesn’t factor into my decision it’s nice to see.</p>
<p>The exact number of applicants has not been released at this time. Early estimates around campus appeared to be in the 41,000 to 43,000 range. It is all speculation at this point.</p>
<p>Enrolled students last year came from all over the nation and abroad. After California the most enrolled students were from Texas, Washington, New York, Illiniois, Florida and Massachusetts. In the class 1,449 different high schools/academies/independent schools were represented. Students came to SC from as far as Sydney Girls’ School, Eton, Country Day, Boston Latin, Punahou, Chattahoochee and the Shanghai American School.</p>
<p>:) Time will tell, but I would not be at ALL surprised if madbean turns out to be right on this one!!! (And I am hoping she is - it is almost too exciting to think about the leap USC is making this year!!!)</p>
<p>Thanks madbean!</p>
<p>…I’m guessing 28,000 applicants this year made the Dec 1st deadline. - Using misc info in the USC admissions blog and assuming all the applications made the cutoff date. But I could be completely off base. :)</p>
<p>I have a question for madbean or alamemom: if around 1,000 applicants were invited to interview for Trustee/Presidential scholarships, how many do you estimate actually go to USC for the interview? Just wondering because my son is a Presidential finalist and is going to USC Explore and when you see that there are 3 dates only and about 175 openings for each date…are they expecting about half to show up?</p>
<p>27,000 people made the December 1st deadline and 1000 people have been admitted so far. The admission office said 15% of the expected number of admissions have been completed (out of 8000+?).</p>
<p>I believe it is much harder for people to be admitted if they are part of the NMSF pool since USC has only so many half tuition scholarships to give out and a lot of NMSFs apply since it is a guaranteed scholarship if you get in. So it complicates matters quite a bit if a few thousand (or even a thousand) NMSFs apply.</p>
<p>Bella - Not all 1000 are invited for interviews. A bunch of them are admitted with no interviews but may be considered for smaller scholarships.</p>
<p>Thank you texaspg for your quick response. I thought that at first too but I thought one of these experts said that 1000 are interviewing. Do any of you know about how many interview?</p>
<p>We got a letter saying 1000 were admitted out of 27000 and some are being interviewed (this was a letter stating you are not one, but if you get admitted, you will get a Presidential scholarship if you make NMF and nominate USC). We are aware of at least one local candidate who received only an admission and so I know there must be a bunch that way.</p>
<p>Ok thanks for your help! Good luck to you!!</p>
<p>texas, my son received the admit only letter. Hopefully, he becomes NMF, as he has chosen SC has his #1…</p>
<p>"My personal estimates for this year (based on pure guesswork) is that approximately 30,000 applied by the scholarship deadline and that we will have 43,000+ overall (not counting the 10,000-12,000 transfer applicants, which would bring the overall total to 55,000-ish).</p>
<p>The admit rate last year was ~24% (37,000 X 24% = ~8,800)</p>
<p>My guestimate for this year’s admit rate is 21% (43,000 X 21% = 9030 to allow for a slightly lower yield)"</p>
<p>Not to disagree with alamemom as she knows tons more about all of this than me…but I would think a 16+% increase in applications is going to demand an increase in number of raw admits higher than 2.6%…it is all a guess at this point but Chicago admitted almost 6% more students the year after common app with only a 10% bump in number of applications, though of course the overall acceptance rate declined. I am hoping anyway as I don’t think my D will be hearing until next month…</p>
<p>DadInNeb - Congratulations to your son. I was not sure if they were sending any admission only letter to people who are expected to NMFs but not inviting them for an interview.</p>
<p>snowdog - The letter we received clearly states they have admitted 1000 out of the expected 8400 admits this year, which leaves them a lot of room (kind of hinting that there are a lot of spaces left).</p>
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Hi Bella!</p>
<p>There are actually 5 dates: 2 for trustee and 3 for Presidential, so that adds up to 875 slots for interviews. Some of the most qualified applicants are those who have applied early decision to some of the most selective universities in the nation, and so they will have to decline the opportunity for an interview. As you can see from posts on other threads, many NMSF are unaware of the small possibility of being “bumped up” to Trustee and so will decline the interview thinking it would not benefit them and they may choose to skip the interview opportunity.
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I disagree STRONGLY with this statement. USC actively recruits NMSF, wants NMSF to attend, voluntarily offers them 1/2 tuition scholarships (USC is under NO obligation to offer these scholarships and could easily change the offer if it was a burden), admits over 600 NMSF every year, and does not require that NMSF status is disclosed in an application - for thise of you who feel it is a “disadvantage” to be NMSF (honestly - a truly silly statement) you are free to leave that off your application and you will STILL receive the scholarship if admitted.
The USC Presidential NMSF Scholarship is a USC scholarship, NOT a National Merit Corporation scholarship, and USC is free to offer as many or as few as they choose. USC is a private university and can offer their scholarship and grant money as they choose.</p>
<p>alememom - It is USC giving the half tuitions and the letter is very clear that they only have so many scholarships to give. Your love/association with the school does not give you the right to mistate USC’s financial position.</p>
<p>It is a variable number but it is not like they have a 1000 NMF half tuitions to hand out to people.</p>
<p>Snowdog, I agree that it is hard to estimate how the switch to The Common App will change yield - will thousands of students apply with no intention of attending because of the simplicity? I do not envy those at USC charged with calculating those projections this year!!!</p>
<p>I am guessing they will use the response to their scholarship interview invitations to give them a preview of how the overall pool of admitted students will behave. If they get a lower response, that may trigger a large increase in admits, an similar response may cause them to keep admit levels constant and a higher response may cause them to shift more admits to the spring pool to guard against under-enrollment while reducing admits to guard against over enrollment. </p>
<p>One thing to keep in mind is that USC has overenrolled by 200 to 300 every year that I have been an observer on this board. Their stated target class has been 2,600 each year and they have enrolled between 2,750 and 2,900+ each of the last 4 years, so even if the yield did slip a bit they may be okay in admitting similar numbers.</p>
<p>I also have a feeling my estimate for the number of applicants may be a bit on the low side - I can’t wait to see the total!</p>
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The letter is referring to the Trustee, Presidential, Dean’s and many, many other USC scholarships. The NMSF Presidential is awarded to admitted NMSF who name USC as their first-choice school by the deadline whether they informed USC that they were NMSF or not. So it is clear that if 1000 NMSF kept their NMSF status concealed by not mentioning it on the application and were admitted, indeed, USC would award 1,000 NMSF scholarships (they offered over 600 NMSF Presidential scholarships last year, so it really wouldn’t be as big of an increase as you seem to think).</p>
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<p>I have the right to state whatever I choose on this board. And correcting misstatements such as yours is something I certainly intend to continue to do to keep current and potential applicants informed.</p>
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