<p>It is easy to look at these ranking, but just because Brown is ranked at the twelfth best college, that does not mean that it is not the best college for you. As a theater major, Brown was a much better college for me than any other ivy. It depends on each individual and what environment they would thrive in.</p>
<p>HannahKailey- I completely agree with you. In the end it is your ranking that matters.
It is the mix of you and the college. For some Brown would be number 1 for others number 50.</p>
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Columbia College, SEAS, and Barnard are separated in the law enrollment figures. I used only the numbers for Columbia College, both for undergraduate enrollment and law enrollment. </p>
<p>I must admit that Cornell’s numbers were not separated by college in the H/Y data. I would imagine, however, that the number of pre-law students in, say, CALS or Hotel is quite small.</p>
<p>Five of the Ivies have T14 law schools that draw heavily on their undergraduate populations, so it would be interesting to see how Princeton, Brown, and Dartmouth grads fare at getting into other top law schools. If anything, they would need to send students in much larger numbers than other top universities in order to compensate for not having law schools of their own. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to locate this data.</p>
<p>Its not fair to only include CC when so many Columbia student from GS go to top grad schools. Also if you are netting out engineers you have to do so at all the Ivies.</p>
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<p>Our D chose Brown over traditional engineering schools such as Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, etc. (This was done with the blessing of a parent who is a Carnegie Mellon engineer.) Given D’s interests and career plans, Brown was the best fit. I would encourage readers to look past statements like the one above and see for themselves, as we did.</p>
<p>coase, I am a big supporter of Brown. It is an excellent university. I also agree that for some Engineers, Brown is an excellent choice. But as a school of Engineering, Brown is not counted among the best.</p>
<p>I think one has to put engineering in perspective. Most Ivy engineers end up going into finance, Venture Capital, Startups, and consulting - or to grad school - all of which tend to be far more lucrative careers than going into actual engineering.</p>
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I subtracted the number of engineers (from IPEDS) from each school before doing my calculations. Yes, all of this took a while. </p>
<p>Obviously my numbers are not entirely accurate. Much more useful would be calculations with the number of students applying and the number accepted, factoring in GPAs and LSATs. Such detailed data is, however, not readily available.</p>
<p>It’s reasonably accurate as a rough estimate, however. Note that Princeton drops suddenly in the past couple years, dropping from Stanford level to Brown/Dartmouth level. That coincides with the implementation of its “grade deflation” policies. This is especially notable when one considers that Brown/Dartmouth have average LSATs in the 90th percentile range, whereas Princeton’s are in the 94/95th percentile.</p>
<p>slipper, I was referring to Engineering programs assuming students are interested in the field of Engineering as a career. </p>
<p>Furthermore, it is not only at Ivy League universities that a large number of Engineering majors decide to go into alternative fields such as Banking, Consulting, Law etc… That’s the case at any top-ranked Engineering program within a top university, including Cal, Duke, MIT, Michigan, Northwestern, Stanford etc…</p>
<p>Finally, I am not so sure that Banking (at this point in time) and Consulting are significantly more lucrative than Engineering. Most Engineers whom I went to college with earn well over $150,000/year at this stage in their career, working as project managers and executives within Engineering firms. Several of them have stock options worth over a million dollars, should they choose to exercise them.</p>