@HRSMom yes i’ve heard of bowling green state university! it definitely gets overlooked to ohio state. my friend who is a michigan resident was accepted to umich art school and u cincinnati industrial design program and she just committed to ucincinnati even though she has to pay out of state tuition and she thought her whole life she was going to go to umich where her dad went. so there are definitely great non flagship options. @yikesyikesyikes i didn’t mean to lump them all together i mean oos people are good enough to get into an ivy league because the oos students at umich are very smart and talented. theres def a difference between cornell and harvard but they prob do give better financial aid than umich if you qualify.