Why Should Notre Dame's Football Coach Make More Than Tenured Professors?

<p>“As a die hard Joe Pa fan (so don’t even think about saying anything bad about him), I often wonder how Penn State would have evolved without football. I really don’t think it would have emerged as a first rate university without the football program.”</p>

<p>Same thing for Notre Dame. Without football, this would have been an ordinary catholic school in Indiana.</p>

<p>Yes, textbooks are not considered true avademic work but they can be lucrative for the writer. Many U’s now have written rules about sharing of revenues from patents and the like. For example:</p>

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<p>I think you are confusing such things as technological advances and patent applications…because it would be hard to prove that the university’s time and equipment wasn’t used in the development of the technology or invention.</p>

<p>However, book-writing is different. It’s easy to write a book from your home on your own time…profs do it all the time…and get all the revenues.</p>

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<p>It seems to me any researcher who writes a book (other than fiction) and claims that they did their research without using any of the university’s resources is stretching the truth. Come on . . . you can’t tell me you didn’t slip in one little search using the university’s resources - one little listen to a recording owned by the university library system, one little glance at microfiche from the archives, one little peek at a source in the rare book room. I know the white gloves they make you wear in the rare book room leave no fingerprints (thus no proof!), but let’ get real, it is almost impossible to do research without utilizing the university’s resources. Isn’t that what you’re suppose to be doing during those research hours you so adamantly insisted you needed? Isn’t that why you only teach 3 classes a semester - so you have time for your research? Isn’t that why you publish or perish? Where are the dance profs suppose to work out their choreography? At home in their living rooms? How about those chem profs? They all have full laboratories in their basements? Seems like only the fiction writers among the Eng profs have any chance of writing a book from home without utilizing any of the university’s resources. Lots of profs are busy making new discoveries instead of writing best sellers. I think many of us appreciate the research that went into Gatorade. I’d rather drink it than read about it.</p>

<p>It just seems to me that colleges and universities could use some of that money from athletics to help support the reason they exist - the pursuit of intellectual goals. Without the profs, there is no football (or basketball or baseball or track, etc.)</p>

<p>For some reason, I doubt that universities are taking the royalties from faculty publications. I know this field has been changing over the past decades, but there was such a strong tradition that professors’ royalties were their own that it’s hard to imagine that everything has been reversed, even if the universities control the patents and inventions.</p>

<p>Years ago, I worked as a research assistant on a very successful textbook. I know that the university did not get a cut of that. Of course, that was in the comparative Dark Ages, but it was not before university counsel started insisting on controlling the licensing of intellectual property. I have a feeling that if anyone had ever suggested that meant your books, the faculty would have risen en masse and marched with pitchforks and burning torches to drive the president from his home.</p>

<p>There are also ways to get around paying royalties. My dad had a non-compete clause, and it also stated in writing anything he created as a scientist belonged to the company. How did he get around it? He was silent partner. An author can publish under another name.</p>

<p>But if you publish under another name - not as the expert in your field professor Dr. X - who would buy your book?</p>

<p>Ah true, that is the catch.</p>

<p>I looked at a couple university policies, and it’s pretty clear that copyrights on written material (not software) belong to the author, unless it was specifically produced for a funded research project or university staff (not professors) were effectively co-authors, in which case the university will share the copyright with the professor-author.</p>

<p>I just read Lou Holtz’s book and he said he was told one of the rules was he was not going to make more in salary than the President of ND. Don’t know if that is still true.</p>

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<p>I worked in college textbook publishing for 15 years. In my experience, publishers sign contracts with individual faculty members–not with the university. Writing a college text book for an introductory course (which are the kinds of textbooks major college textbook publishers publish) doesn’t involve any original research. Most profs put these together with the help of their graduate students. Grad students are often the people who do the heavy lifting with respect to writing the text. Sometimes they’ll get a publication out of it and some may share a small portion of the royalties, but honestly, even though textbooks are expensive–most faculty members who write textbooks aren’t getting rich from their royalties.</p>

<p>My dad (a now retired college Prof) wrote a text book on computer chip design which was adopted at 25-30 schools - he said he made about $3.00 an hour for his work on the book.</p>

<p>Yes, unless it was Samuelson’s Econ 101 book or a basic psychology text, the profits are small. Not worth the U trying to take it away from the prof/author.</p>

<p>Why does the head coach make so much?</p>

<p>Because lots of people still believe “winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”</p>

<p>There needs to be no reason. It is a private school. The coach is not coercing the college to give him money. The people value his skill. Simple as that. There is no need for a “why”. Whether it is right or wrong, I don’t know. It’s a privilege of having a college within a free country. </p>

<p>Why does a professor make more than the teacher when the professor couldn’t teach the students anything before they went through a teacher in high school?</p>

<p>Why does a doctor make more than a teacher when he couldn’t save lives without the expertise given by the teacher?</p>

<p>Why does the owner of a custodial company make more than the janitors when it is the janitors who do the work?</p>

<p>Why does the president get credit for a speech his speechwriter wrote?</p>

<p>Answer: Popular desire. Choice of the guy who can make the choices.</p>

<p>A winning NCAA division I football team brings in a lot of money for the school.</p>

<p>I heard a quote from a University president who, tongue in cheek, said: “I have the hardest job in the world. I have to keep the students happy by providing good food. I have to keep the faculty happy by providing good parking and I have to keep the alumni happy by providing winning sports teams.”</p>

<p>I always figured the NBC contract more than covered the coach’s salary, team expenses, and left some over for other teams/activities on campus. </p>

<p>On the other hand, if you’ve ever been on campus for a football weekend and checked out the bookstore, the receipts have to be staggering. For the entire weekend they have at least 20 registers going with a line snaking through the bookshelves. Everyone you pass is wearing overpriced logo’d apparel. A couple of weeks ago, there was a cross country meet on the Friday of a football weekend. Even the kids from the other cross country teams were in the store buying up tee shirts, hoodies, etc. </p>

<p>As an ND parent, I’ve often wondered why the merchandise sales don’t seem to have much of an effect on our tuition and fees. :)</p>

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<p>When a professor brings in as much value as a high-level DI football coach, he can make as much as a high-level DI football coach.</p>

<p>I know of a DI men’s basketball coaching staff who last year between 3 of them, made less than the head coach. The head coach was on administrative leave and made roughly $250,000. The other 3 coaches including the acting head coach made significantly less. The acting head coach made less than $30,000 last year!</p>

<p>The previous post about the article that states Joe Pa only made 500K is 2 years old (2007).</p>

<p>[Records</a> show Joe Paterno is Penn State’s highest-paid employee - ESPN](<a href=“LIVE Transfer Talk: Man United, Chelsea mull Braithwaite move - ESPN”>Records show Joe Paterno is Penn State's highest-paid employee - ESPN)</p>

<p>Penn State coach Joe Paterno is a millionaire.
Records released Friday by the university show the 82-year-old Hall of Famer is Penn State’s highest-paid employee, making more than $1.03 million last year.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1243642208284980.xml&coll=1[/url]”>http://www.pennlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1243642208284980.xml&coll=1&lt;/a&gt;
Penn State pointed out in a note accompanying its salary list that only five of the 32 employees whose earnings were released are paid with tuition and/or state money. The rest are employees of its medical center and intercollegiate athletics department, which are self-supporting entities…</p>