<p>I shouldn’t argue Bill’s future behavior because I don’t know what it is.</p>
<p>I am not really concerned about Bill’s future behavior.</p>
<p>I am more concerned about Hillary’s future behavior. </p>
<p>That’s why I want to know where she stands on the issues.</p>
<p>I hope Bill goes back to Monica - I just wish they’d spent more time together in the first place.</p>
<p>Quote: “What a ridiculous way to choose a candidate. Based on her husband’s possible behavior.”</p>
<p>Not really. He gave a pathetic campaign speech when his wife was crushed in South Carolina. It was supposed to be a concession speech for her, but he turned it into a victory speech about himself. He is the one that pretends he is running again. He will always be the alpha dog, at least in his mind.</p>
<p>Do not forget. She stands by her man. No matter what.</p>
<p>Wow - lots of Hillary/Bill haters here.
I too had that “knee jerk” reaction that someone described earlier in one of these threads. Didn’t like her. Probably related to all that garbage with Monica and the rest.
But I’ve been watching carefully and trying to be objective and I see a smart, competent women who is trying to figure out how to move the country in a different direction.
I don’t give a hoot about the fact that her hubby is Bill. On balance, I think Bill did a very good job in his 8 years. Yes, he did get derailed by his lack of control in certain areas…and this did have an impact on the country - largely because the Republicans insisted on making a HUGE deal of it. Come on…there are many presidents who were known for wandering - FDR, JFK…the list goes on. Maybe not Bush though. Hmmm…does that make any difference to me?
I also don’t hold it against her that she’s using her connection with Bill to make a run to the White House. So what? Don’t we all use connections?
That said, I’m still leaning toward voting for Obama. Yet I still just don’t understand the venom relative to Hillary. And I guess it does have me concerned because it seems to be pretty widespread and may impact her ability to get things done if she was elected.</p>
<p>I love the last paragraph of the LA Times endorsement of Obama (to be published Sunday):</p>
<p>In the language of metaphor, Clinton is an essay, solid and reasoned; Obama is a poem, lyric and filled with possibility. Clinton would be a valuable and competent executive, but Obama matches her in substance and adds something that the nation has been missing far too long – a sense of aspiration. </p>
<p><a href=“http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CGV2r#comment-gGxdjm[/url]”>http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CGV2r#comment-gGxdjm</a></p>
<p>I don’t see venom in most of the anti-Clinton comments. </p>
<p>Why are they any more venomous than any of the negative comments about any of the other candidates?</p>
<p>The Clinton supporters are usually the ones who use the words hatred and venom. This obsession is just as damning to their candidate.</p>
<p>NOT a Clinton supporter here…just someone who is trying to step back and evaluate these candidates. I prefer Obama at this point. But I do see venom for Hillary - and not just on these boards.<br>
To me venom is much more than making negative comments. I would say, for example, that I am prone to spouting venom when I talk about Bush. I absolutely DESPISE that man. Yeah, venom for sure.
I have big problems with some of the others, but I still try to listen to their positions. And I happen to think that many of the comments on this board (and certainly in the article that started this thread) are beyond just negative. For the most part, these folks are just not listening to her anymore. Just my opinion though…</p>
<p>Here is a recent editorial that speaks of the Hillary Haters. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/950201.html[/url]”>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/950201.html</a></p>
<p>I don’t hate Hillary. There’s a lot about her I admire, including her decision to stick by her husband through thick and thin. It’s an old-fashioned virtue that I deeply respect. I also admire her stick-to-it-ness and her commitment to certain ideals. But, I also think that past is prologue. And some parts of that past trouble me. As well, I remember the 90s not with total nostalgia. I remember the toxic partisanship; I remember losing a lot of the savings I’d accumulated for my kids’ education and my retirement, savings I’ve never quite recovered. I don’t blame it on Bill, but I am not looking to recreate the 90s out of nostalgia because the present is so bad.
If we are going to deny the importance of past behavior, then her 35 years of experience are irrelevant, arent’ they?</p>
<p>starting with the HRH’s still defining Wellesley Manifesto. </p>
<p>As the quoted article mentioned, “Hillary Clinton has yet to show where her interest and America’s intersect.” </p>
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<p>Hers and America’s.</p>
<p>Xiggi, is your future career going to be the male Ann Coulter?</p>
<p>It’s very lucrative.</p>
<p>Dstark. Should I join the new Coulter campaign trail too? I thought Dear Ann liked the new Hillary. </p>
<p>My apologies. I’ll be more careful in the future and show more respect for HRH.</p>
<p>I have not been a Hillary fan and found Obama inspiring. However, when I looked at their actual voting record (ontheissues.org) I found that I would support Hillary and will not vote for Obama even if he is the Democratic candidate. When I went beyond personality and politics and looked at where they stand with regard to specific issues my view changed.</p>
<p>You should be the Xiggi version of Coulter. You don’t have to have identical views.</p>
<p>More numbers on Hillary (see post 76 for the first set). She is ahead of Obama in Mass, Minn, Tenn, Calif, N Y. In one set for Ga she’s ahead, the other not, and Obama’s ahead in Ala.</p>
<p>Democratic Candidate Gallup CA NY NY GA TN
Pollster Gallup Rass PPP D’mar Schap PPP
Date 1/27-29 1/29 1/29 1/20-22 1/22-28 1/28
Hillary Clinton 42% 43% 45% 51% 36% 43%
Barack Obama 36% 40% 33% 23% 35% 32%
John Edwards 12% 9% 10% 11% 10% 16%
Dennis Kucinich - - - 4% - -
Mike Gravel 1% - - - - -
Other(vol.) 9% 8% 13% 10% 19% 9%</p>
<p>DS, unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Coulter, except for an occasional post on CC about her antics. </p>
<p>I doubt very much that we have much in common. :)</p>
<p>Does anyone really believe that Hillary would do something or take a position just cause Bill told her to? If he tried to she’d probably throw a lamp at him.</p>
<p>This is how the guy who wrote the New Yorker piece reacted to one of Obama’s speeches in New Hampshire:</p>
<p>“Obama spoke for only twenty-five minutes and took no questions; he had figured out how to leave an audience at the peak of its emotion, craving more. As he was ending, I walked outside and found five hundred people standing on the sidewalk and the front steps of the opera house, listening to his last words in silence, as if news of victory in the Pacific were coming over the loudspeakers. Within minutes, I couldn’t recall a single thing that he had said, and the speech dissolved into pure feeling, which stayed with me for days.”</p>
<p>Electing Obama would be like electing Elmer Gantry. I’m not going to be swayed by some oratory “feeling” or a cute song on You Tube. I am looking for a hard working, intelligent centrist, with a proven track record of successfully working both sides of the aisle. Right now it looks like Hillary to me, and Obama looks like a snake oil salesman.</p>
<p>W doesn’t fool around on his wife, supposedly has stopped drinking, yet he’s done a terrible job running the country. We all know what Bill did, but he did a good if not great job running the country. Hindsight is 20/20, but I agree with the posters who feel like with Hillary we know what we’re getting and there won’t be any (or few) surprises. </p>
<p>Plus, knowing that Obama’s spiritual advisor is so enamoured of Louis Farrakhan is a lot scarier and more of a negative to me than any bimboing.</p>
<p>Did you know that Ann Coulter actually dated Bill Maher for a while? Interesting…</p>
<p>I’m an Obama fan and very much against Hillary. I saw Obama in New Hampshire and he answered the gathering’s questions in depth. His themes of unity are very appealing whereas Billary is traditonally divisive and sees others as the enemy. I see Obama as the true feminist candidate, actually as his views are more cooperative and collaborative than combative. I cannot forgive Hillary for voting for the war in Iraq. She was too timid to attempt to stop Bush’s folly.</p>