I would not read too much from their slow response to mean anything, they are very busy and have many requests to process. Hope for the best and know that you’ve done what you can, the rest is up to so many factors and luck.
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and sorry for the excessive questioning, I am just too much stressed. Do you have any idea how many international students apply ED to Williams. on their website it says that the student body comprises of 9% international students
Website officially states Dec. 8.
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Well that is exciting!
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*highly stressful
My son is very stressed about it too, what I have been telling him is that it is all relative. If you are considering Williams as your ED you must be a highly accomplished young person. You will be successful no matter where you wind up. i have my fingers and toes crossed for you!
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is he an international student?
Not sure about international ED applicant numbers, applying ED increases your chances, so assuming fewer international applicants apply ED vs RD, could put you in a better position. However, also, heard that for all applicants the same standard of review is applied for ED or RD.
and do they have a criteria to take more than 40% kids test optional so as not to discourage students who are thinking of apllying test-optional from applying?
Why would you think that?
I am seriouds.i’ve heard legit rumours from admission reps
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FWIW, I’d wager that roughly half of Williams’s admits are test optional, not 40%. I know that the CDS states that around 40% submit SAT scores and 20% ACT scores, but there’s going to be fair portion of (apparently test-loving kids) who submit both SAT and ACT scores. If you look at older CDSs from when test scores were required, the total percentage was usually between 110% and 120% when SAT and ACT percentages are added.
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We went to a tour at another school where the break down of kids who submitted scores is about the same. (Not a lac but another highly
Selective under 20% acceptance rate school) They said at the admissions talk that 80% of those who were accepted submitted scores. I don’t think many schools are as transparent and those numbers don’t reflect on acceptance rates. Just who applied.
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any idea about ED applicants this year?
Yeah some schools—especially STEM-focused universities—put a higher priority on test scores than others. But the 2022-23 Williams CDS, which is for the class of 2026, reports the percentage of enrolled students who submitted SATs and ACTs as 41% and 21% respectively.
Anyhow, that’s massively disappointing if schools are misleading applicants about their test-optional nature.
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But those numbers don’t reflect what perfect accepted submitted scores. Interestingly according to the cds less than half of the people accepted enrolled so it is impossible to know how much import they put on scores. I think 20% acceptance without scores is pretty high
Okay, I see your distinction between accepted and enrolled. And you believe that a substantially higher percentage of test-submitters are accepted than enroll. I can see that being true in the RD round. And I could also see a larger portion of recruited athletes applying test optional in the ED round.
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agreed, that makes the most sense, more test optional in ED since more people with spikes but less in RD. I honestly was shocked at the honesty of the admissions officer at the other school.
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Note the yield is, of course, low only among the RD admits. Assuming around a 97% ED yield (which is consistent with that we see in colleges that supply this data), Williams had about 246 ED enrollees, so about 330 non-ED enrollees, out of 1048 non-ED admittees, so about 31.5% RD yield.
OK, we don’t know exactly what those people looked like–but we can guess a bit, because of course most of those people likely enrolled somewhere else pretty similar to Williams. Like, I know they don’t love this being pointed out, but Williams and Amherst purportedly get a lot of cross-applications and cross-admits, and so likely a good number of RD admits to Williams who do not yield at Williams end up enrolling at Amherst, and vice versa.
OK, and then among Amherst enrollees, 40% submitted an SAT, 21% an ACT. Almost the exact same as the 41/21 at Williams.
So, we could keep going with this, but I think pretty quickly we are going to confirm the admits at these LACs probably have at least a pretty similar test submission profile as the enrollees.
By the way, I agree the number of unique enrollees who submitted is going to be less than 61/62% due to double-submitters. I am personally comfortable with reducing that by about 10%, so I would be comfortable guesstimating on the order of 55% of admittees at Williams, Amherst, and similar submitted, 45% (give or take) did not.
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