<p>Pea, most people do not expect schools to be offering abortion services directly to underage children without their parents’ knowledge or consent. Int his case the child was 15 but the law would allow a pregnant 9 year old to make s similar decision without parental notification. That is beyond reasonable. Also without having parents involved all the options are not even on the table. In some communities it is an everyday thing that the now grandparents will help raise the child of a young mother.
There are many avenues her parents might have been able to lead her including adoption by the parents, adoption by third parties, etc. I think that in a liberal city like Seattle the slant by such health care providers will be pro abortion.</p>
<p>A related point and a chilling reading:</p>
<p>[Three Felonies a Day](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556”>http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556</a>)</p>
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<p>One, most nine year olds can’t get pregnant.
Two, I feel like a nine year old couldn’t get to a clinic in order to get an abortion. I doubt they have clinics in elementary schools.
Three, there is a whole host of other issues if that child gets pregnant.</p>
<p>Cartera: Parental involvement should not be mandated???</p>
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<p>So your daughter comes home from an abortion that you didn’t know about, and bleeds to death in her bed that night, and you are O.K. with that? You are not going to sue? Give me a break. You’d sue.</p>
<p>What about a blood clot? Infection which advances because she is keeping the procedure a secret, while getting sicker and sicker? Allergy to medications or latex that she was not mature enough to communicate properly? </p>
<p>What about mental health history? What if this kid needs counseling, but doesn’t get it because the parents don’t even know what happened? Then she starts cutting or doing drugs, and they have no idea why.</p>
<p>These ridiculous laws also allow kids as young as 13 to sign themselves out of drug treatment. Such a law is really there because pro-choice zealots go from the ridiculous to the sublime, and trust Big Government instead of parents. </p>
<p>I am pro-choice, by the way. But I am not a nut bar about the whole thing. Let’s not throw common sense out the window. Parents have a natural right to protect their kids. </p>
<p>States with laws like this have lousy and too few drug treatment centers for young people because you can’t operate a business like that in a state where victims of early onset addiction can sign themselves out of treatment. When kids who actually stay in treatment do get out of substandard centers, there is no strong sober community of young people to support their recovery - the one thing with the best chance of keeping them on track. A lot of kids are having their disease go out of control because of these very laws. Kids are dying. A LOT OF THEM. </p>
<p>If that doesn’t move you, you are paying for drug addicts when they go to prison. You are victims of their crimes. And if you support young people who have the disease of addiction being able to sign themselves out of treatment younger than 18, you are in part responsible for this mess. </p>
<p>If you blindly support these absurd consent laws which give minors control over their health without parental oversight, then you are making more of a mistake than you might imagine.</p>
<p>I would like to publicly apologize to Northstarmom for taking the bait and playing a part in letting this thread get hijacked.</p>
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<p>No, it should not. I don’t want this thread to go off into abortion crazyland, so I’m leaving it at that.</p>
<p>Can a 9 year old get pregnant–absolutely. If you Google it you will find several cases–obviously most were not consensual but it can and has happened. </p>
<p>[WikiAnswers</a> - Can a 9-year-old get pregnant](<a href=“http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_9-year-old_get_pregnant]WikiAnswers”>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_9-year-old_get_pregnant)</p>
<p>" Cosgrove read the consent form to Ross: “Youth may independently access reproductive health care at any age. They may independently receive drug and alcohol services and mental health counseling from age 13.”</p>
<p>Any parent that signs and accepts that should lose custody.</p>
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<p>Oh my goodness you take everything to the extreme don’t you?</p>
<p>I said MOST nine year olds can’t get pregnant. And if they are, there SHOULD be police involvement because there is something else going on.</p>
<p>Cartera: This thread is about abortion crazyland. </p>
<p>My last post had many important points to address. Painful truths about what is really going on in this country. The true definition of crazyland is when adults put their heads in the ground, or their hands over their ears, rather than learn about how they might be harming kids.</p>
<p>If this is going to turn into a YAAT (yet another abortion thread), then it should be moved to the election and politics forum, where barrons can be pugnacious to his heart’s content.</p>
<p>The original post did get highjacked I guess. Barron’s post about Ballard High School helping a 15 year old get a secret abortion was a segway. Sometimes that happens. It should have been its own thread, but the segway itself was a reasonable contribution to this discussion. </p>
<p>Your point, DonnaL, should also be applied to this thread (the OP). Should it also be moved to the politics and elections forum? Teaching contraception in the classrooms is also a political issue.</p>
<p>Back to the OP …</p>
<p>“the instruction could amount to contributing to the delinquency of a minor if teachers know students are sexually active.”</p>
<p>My 18 year old son wonders: If the student is sexually active, wouldn’t learning about contraception be a GOOD thing?</p>
<p>I must agree. Kids are having sex. Kids were having sex back in the stone age, when I was young. They were having sex in prehistoric times, when my parents were young. That won’t change.</p>