Women would rather come across a bear than a man in the woods

As so many have said, this isn’t about thinking all or a majority of men are no good. It’s being aware. I often walked in our old neighborhood alone, one time DH came with me when we encountered a man sitting in a parked car on a rural street near farmland (i.e. no houses or other traffic/people around). I immediately turned around and said, “oh that guy is here again”. DH looked at me and I almost saw a lightbulb go off over his head as he said “Oh my gosh, it never occurred to me that you have to think about things like that when you are out walking. I just walk where I want to walk.” And he is a pretty tuned-in sensitive guy.

Also I am leaving this post here as it seems very relevant:

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A recap of our discussion, in humorous form…

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Great article! Thanks.

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This is one of my parents frequent visitors - sniffing the spring pansies.

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Really?? I’m never scared of stray dogs. I know how to deal with dogs. I’m just always concerned FOR the dog and want it to be safe and taken care of. I want to try to find the owner or alert a rescue group to catch it. All our dogs have been rescues and I have rescued stray dogs (and cats) off the streets. I know how to read their body language and predict them.

To see a bear on a walk in the woods would be thrilling and exciting and so awesome to me. I would only be disappointed to be alone and not have someone with me to share the experience. I honestly would love love love to see a bear. And in this case being on the east coast I am talking about black bears. There are a lot in my state but unfortunately I keep missing seeing them.

Grizzlies I would be thrilled to see from a big distance. I worked in Yellowstone one summer so am somewhat familiar with them but have no interest in an up close and personal encounter. 500 yards away with binocs — yes that would be very cool.

Coming upon a random guy I don’t know in the woods is more of an ehhh feeling — definitely not thrilling or exciting or awesome. I’d be a little wary and a little optimistic that he’d be a good guy. I’d be assessing the threat level and hopefully landing on him looking like no threat but if he was sketched out and looked like a creeper then obviously I’d be on high alert and trying to get away quickly without provoking him.

Men (and people in general) are much less predictable than bears. Some men are cool and great and wonderful guys (I’m married to one of those) and some are absolute ass hats and scary creeps. It can be tricky to tell what kind you are dealing with. Bears are just bears.

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What if a strange man showed up at the same time?

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Then I’d have to do a quick threat assessment on him. If he’s one of the 90% of ok guys then we could talk about how cool it is to see a bear in the woods. And if he seemed creepy I’d be trying to get away from him as gracefully as possible.

Was hiking with three girlfriends in the woods yesterday and there were times we saw random guys alone. If we didn’t know them we didn’t go near them. One of us did know a nice guy with a dog though and he hiked with us part way.

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I would be just as scared of a bear as I would a man….

When I was in my 20’s I was on the NYC subway. There was a man sitting across from me…staring. I was aware, but also realized he might just be looking in my direction…as he was directly across from me.

I got off the train on 34th street and headed to Macys. While shopping in the juniors dept…I looked up and saw the man in the distance. I immediately walked over to the cashier, who picked up the phone and called security. Within 10 seconds 4 security guards arrived. Two of them escorted the man out (or somewhere), and two of them stayed with me and put me in a cab. I could not be more impressed with how Macys handled this situation.

If I had taken the train home I have no idea if I would be here today.

I think I would rather see a bear.

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When I first heard the question if I would rather see a bear or a man in the woods my quick response would be bear. But when I ponder the question that’s not true. I often hike in the woods alone and have several times come across a man, I have never felt scared threatened or wary and we usually just say hello in passing. Once I forgot my bug spray while hiking in Maine and I was eaten alive by the black flies, a nice man saw my bleeding head and shared his bug spray with me.

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What exactly does a creeper look like? I hike almost exclusively by myself so curious if I am giving off that look.

Same question regarding the scary creep. What’s it look like?

I will say, when I take my small dog out with me I get an awful lot of smiles from women and men on the trail. He is a really cute dog. Perhaps a guy walking a small, cute dog gives off a friendly and non creepy vibe? I do tend to smile when walking alone and passing someone else walking a dog too. Maybe dog people are just less creepy in general and more seen as normal individuals.

Many men who are jerks are too insecure to be seen with a small dog. So yes, people with a strong enough bond with their dogs to take them out hiking are generally wonderful (as dogs are often a great judge of character), and men walking small dogs read as secure enough in their manhood to not be a thread to random folk.

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Welll, he’s actually about 20lbs of pure protective terror. He doesn’t like letting strangers get near me. In his mind he’s about 200lbs and bulletproof.

I don’t think I’m any more secure about anything because I walk him. We just love each other. He’s the most “peopley” dog that I’ve ever had. I swear I he thinks he’s human.

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I’m thinking that if a man wants to do harm to a woman he needs a small dog or baby with him as an ice breaker.

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Regarding dogs vs bears and other animals. My dog and I hike/walk hundreds of miles each month and have seen a wide range of animals, including a stampede of 100+ cattle and being surrounded by 50+ elk. We go to areas with unleashed dogs nearly every day and also have run in to stray dogs, seemingly feral dogs, as well unleashed dogs while hiking in remote wooded areas.

In my opinion, it’s difficult to generalize, as there is a large dependence on the context and specific animal. For example, earlier this year, we came across a wolf-dog in the woods, maybe 70% dog and 30% wolf. It was much larger and more physically threatening than a typical dog – easily over 100lb. It also appeared to be aggressive and ignoring my dog’s body language (my dog initially acts submissive towards physically threatening dogs that she doesn’t know). Fortunately the other dog was on leash. However, the owner warned me she didn’t have physical control over her dog due the size/strength, so we should leave quickly. I certainly wouldn’t want to have run in to that dog off leash.

A short time later, I ran into a stray beagle in my yard. I felt comfortable enough to take the beagle inside my home, give it food/water, and hold it until I could find the owner. It was clearly a neighborhood pet and displayed no aggressive body language or behavior.

In both cases above, the dogs appeared to have no fear of humans and were comfortable approaching humans. This differs from most mammals in the wild. My experience with non-dog animals in the wild is they usually do some combination of avoid us, ignore us, monitor us, or warn us (for example, a young bull might scratch the ground a few times and run a few steps towards us, then stop, and return back to his group),; but unlike dogs, the wild animals don’t intentionally get close to us .

The context above also involves having my dog with me. I am concerned with both how my dog will react to the wild animal and how the wild animal will react to my dog. A person who is hiking alone might feel differently, as might a jogger or trail runner who is concerned with which animals might chase them with prey instinct. What is expected and unexpected also is important, as is the distance away. For example, I’d prefer running in to a stray dog on the walking trail behind my suburban neighborhood house than a stray bear on the trail. However, if I’d prefer to see a black bear in the woods from a long distance away than a stray dog in the distance.

Among the animals that I see on a regular basis, the one that most concerns me is rattlesnakes. I know my dog won’t approach or even make eye contact with a much bigger animal like horses, cows, or bears. She is interested in some animals her size like coyotes and bobcats and may want to follow them, but she’ll stay a good distance away, won’t initiate anything, and will back off if they do anything threatening. I’ll also have time to intervene and/or call back. However, I think there is a good risk of being bitten by a rattlesnake… My experience is rattlesnakes often fall in to the “warn us” grouping above, and I’m not certain that my dog would always follow the warning, and/or she might already be too close when the warning occurs. There is also a risk of unintentionally stepping on them. I have seen multiple rattlesnakes seemingly sleeping, with head in bush/hole and body spread out across trail in warm sunlight. If I was not looking where I was going, I would have stepped on them.

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It’s not a ‘look.’ What makes someone a creeper is their behavior.

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If you are getting approached by people you almost certainly are not giving off bad vibes.

Surely you’ve seen sketchy people out in the world? Those are the most obvious — look like they’re on drugs or might look like they are willing to consider armed robbery.

A creepy guy who is not obviously drugged up on meth or who is not talking angrily to himself while waving a knife around might catcall you or try to get close enough to brush against you or grope you.

The more subtle ones are harder to pick out until you interact with them for a bit but then they try to hit on you and just say inappropriate creepy things.

(As an aside I can assure you that almost every single American woman has been catcalled. It’s gross and happens to all of us starting about age 12. Lets up when you start getting wrinkles and gray hair but I don’t know if it ever really stops.)

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Saw this in Arizona news. Thought it was pretty relevant to the discussion topic.

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Huh, I guess we should be wary of old men!

“The suspect, identified as 73-year-old Lloyd Barzell, was arrested and booked into the Pima County Adult Detention Complex for two counts of aggravated assault with a weapon, a class 3 felony.”

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The bears speak out

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