I like to think if there is ever any kind of problem in the restroom the older women will take charge and settle it. I know I’m always watching out for the little girls, whose dads are waiting for them outside, to make sure they are okay and don’t have any problems.
Women’s restrooms seem some of the safest places on earth to me.
Jesus was and is too liberal for most conservatives, and too conservative for most liberals. As the focal point of the Christian faith, Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection was and is about so much more than political ideology. He confronted the Pharisees for their judgment, lack of compassion, and focus on rules, and he rebuked all to repent of their sins through grace, accept forgiveness, and live changed lives. In what can be a very challenging cultural period for those of us who are Christians, we need to understand the entirety of who Jesus was and what he taught us.
From the responses it seems that legally it would be allowed and I think that is the big concern in NC. I fully agree that it has not been happening but I do believe when it gets overturned (which presumably it will) someone will test it.
If it were to start happening for perverse reasons would some of you then think a law should be passed to prevent it and if so what would that law look like? Instead, just make all restrooms open to anyone?
For what it is worth, I think the US is crazy when it comes to nudity and I really am not concerned but I can appreciate others want to keep it gender specific.
Concerning NC ‘bathroom bill’
If a person was to do do harm in a woman’s bathroom we should punish that person severely using the courts to do so. We don’t take away everyone’s guns because of a shooting across the street.
I don’t understand the need to hurt innocent transgender folks for ‘fictional’ crimes and illogical fear mongering. I too like the Chaz Bono example. He is now required to use the female bathroom so this law has actually made it easier for men (who wish to do harm) to enter women’s restrooms.
In my perfect world, people use the restroom in which they are comfortable and safe. I am not going to spend my life worrying about the possibility of being assaulted in the women’s room, over-concerned as I am about rape culture. I honestly can’t imagine that happening. It doesn’t happen. Let’s worry about those at most risk, every day, rather than unlikely hypotheticals.
Right, I agree they should be punished if they do harm, everyone would agree but I do not think that is the issue (and for me personally do not really care if Chaz comes to my locker room or not). Is the point not that men can feel like women on Tuesday and are free to enter their locker rooms and take showers. If the old women police assault him and throw him out, they are guilty, not him. Fully agree it has not been happening and to me it seems Charlotte should have left all alone in the first place as there was no problem.
I understand everyone’s answer is that let it be like it was and let’s hope no one starts doing this as there is nothing legally to stop it. It will be interesting to see someone test it and then see how everyone feels given the US is quite conservative as a whole with nudity.
In my sixty years of using women’s restrooms, I have never seen anyone nude of either gender there.
I have done a whole lot of world travel. Sometimes I use gender neutral bathrooms with urinals and individual stalls. Never seen anyone nude in those situations either.
On the other hand, a very few times men have exposed themselves to me on the street.
Men do not just wake up and feel like a woman. They have gone through a lifetime of self doubt, self hatred, hormone treatment, lost family and friends in order to be their authentic self.
If men want to do harm and commit assault no ‘bathroom law’ will stop them, because they are criminals.
With parents like some on this thread, maybe trans individuals won’t have such a rough time growing up as in previous years. Family matters a lot. It can be a safe place. imho
alh - wife, son and I were scuba diving on a live-aboard off of Thailand a few years ago. Some Germans were also on board. They would quickly change in and out of their swimsuits in front of everyone. It did not offend any of us but just saying it happened in my 20 years of travelling. I have used the men’s restrooms in many countries and many times there were women cleaning the restrooms and everyone continues about their business while she is in there, this is pretty common.
aly123 - I agree men do not wake up and feel this way. My only concern is that there will be some perverted folks who do this and enter the locker rooms or more likely some folks that want to show why the law is needed. So my hypothetical question is then what? I take it everyone either is ok for guys to be in the women’s locker rooms, or they just think it will never happen so we should not worry about it.
So my question is if it were to start happening (clearly not speaking of assault here), then should there be a law and if so, what would that law look like?
^ Up until this sudden flurry of bathroom bills, it hasn’t been illegal to be in the “wrong” bathroom. If perverts were going to do this, why suddenly start now? If this was truly a problem, shouldn’t proponents of these bills be able to point to actual instances of this happening? Why are you so concerned about bathrooms now, when “use whichever bathroom you prefer” has been the legal status quo for a long time?
^ THIS should be standard reading for anyone who supports this atrocious bill.
Of course, facts don’t matter to people blinded by hate and fear.
I have certainly been in situations where there was mixed gender nudity… just not in toilets.
@TranquilMind How about this: Should a baker be permitted to refuse to bake the cake when the couple is a believer marrying an unbeliever? After all, 2 Cor 6:14.
But how do we know who “those very few” are? Anyone can say they have a sincerely held religious belief about anything. My guess is that many of the Christian baker-objectors are mostly objecting because they hate and fear something they don’t understand and have had no exposure to. But of course, there’s no way to know for sure, is there? How do we know how much of the objection is religious belief and how much is animus? We don’t.
Therefore, if selling me a cake doesn’t actually harm you, you must sell me the cake.
N.B.: “Harm” in the legal sense doesn’t include being offended, or feeling icky.
@yearstogo I’m not in the habit of thinking of the worst and what might happen.
What is your solution to where transgender people are expected to fulfill their biological need to pee? We have shared bathrooms with transgender people our whole lives and never cared or knew about it. Plus no assaults have happened. But now these people are not welcome in either. What are they supposed to do?
Why is there no outrage or fear about sending our kids to school, church or camp, statistically children are more likely to abused here than in a public bathroom.
These laws that are passing where no problem exists reeks of bigotry and discrimination disguised in ‘safety’ and oppression of a marginalized group of people.
The people who are actually in danger aren’t the Chaz Bonos, but people going the other way. Someone who was born male, identifies female, will now have to use the men’s restroom. How’s it going to go for her, in a men’s bathroom in North Carolina, I wonder?
ETA — Although, as has been pointed out, Chaz Bono is now required to use the same restroom as the wife of the NC governor. 
But there are Biblical bans on Christian/non-Christian marriages. And for centuries, non-Christian meant anyone not “white” (as it was defined at the time) regardless of their religion as well as any white non-Christians.
On the other hand, I don’t know of any passages that explicitly prohibit same-sex marriage.
I do know of many that condemn opposite sex couples from enjoying sex. Perhaps, if the baker is ACTUALLY worried about condoning non-Biblical behaviors, he or she should interrogate the couple about whether or not they’ve had sex (prohibited), whether or not they enjoy having sex (prohibited), whether their wedding clothes will be made out of more than one material (prohibited), and on. Oh and will the wedding cake be delivered or made on the Sabbath? Then clearly the baker should be put to death for working on the Sabbath.
To pick and choose which “Biblical” beliefs are an affront to you is disingenuous and reveals far more about you than the book you claim to hold as your guiding light.
@LasMa
Totally agree, it is very unsafe for a transgender woman to enter a male bathroom. I believe there have been 20 murders of trans women this year already. I used the Chaz Bono example as most irrational fears are leaning towards women’s bathrooms with very little thought about the safety of trans women.
During orientation at a CA public university some asked if there student would be able to fill their medical marijuana prescription (legal in CA) thru the University. They were told the university follows federal law so no, that prescription would not be filled by the campus pharmacy.
The point being, the public U would enforce federal law over state law. If U’s in question were to go by the federal non-discrimination laws wouldn’t the problem - at least on the campus - go away?
If there were a federal law, all of these discriminatory state laws would be null and void. Some states in the south would still like to have segregated schools, for example, but they can’t.