I still want to know what happens to intersex individuals or people with “ambiguous” genitalia (since in this culture we’ve decided that your entire identity is shaped by a single organ). They’re assigned a “sex” at birth because the birth certificate requires one but sometimes will grow up to have far more characteristics of the other sex.
It is not just Trans individuals who would theoretically be affected by this ridiculous and unnecessary law.
@Sue22 It’s only recently that men who were maybe a week into their newly found womanhood started prancing around naked in women’s sauna’s, ect. I don’t really agree with the definitions provided by North Carolina and Mississippi, but at least they provide rules. For everything we do in life there must be strict and absolute rules; otherwise society will descend into chaos.
“For everything we do in life there must be strict and absolute rules; otherwise society will descend into chaos.”
Aside from being strict and absolute they have to at least make sense. Even the leading Republican candidate thinks these rules are stupid.
@EarlVanDorn, where did this happen?
If it’s the Colleen Francis story @ Evergreen State it happened in 2012 and the real story was different from what was widely reported.
Huh. Somehow, our society is able to distinguish between different types of taking someone’s life. An individual does it and it’s homocide or murder, with a cop uniform on it’s often “justifiable homicide” or some other euphemism, and when the government does it it’s part of war or “justified” because that individual took someone else’s life.
Give me a break that we have strict and absolute rules. I could give hundreds if not thousands of examples like the one above
Oh, yes. Denny Hastert certainly was punished for his violation of the rules. NOT.
@romanigypsyeyes You are right that assignment at birth doesn’t always match the facts 10 or 20 years later. There is a provision in Mississippi for people to change their birth certificates. So just do it, problem solved, quit whining. The goal of the far left seems to be to allow pervert men to lurk around the ladies’ room. Well, just no.
Do you honestly believe this? You believe that was the goal and purpose of the Charlotte ordinance? To make womens restrooms open to pervert men? Are we both on the same page in believing these pervert men to be cis males?
“Even if transgenders were given their own facilities tomorrow, they would be still protesting because they really want to use facilities that do not match their anatomy. Therefore, forcing others to be around and view things they do not want.”
^^^Are you speaking for transgender people? Or only yourself? Unless you are transgender, you have no way of knowing what a transgender person “really” wants or would be protesting against. No one is forcing you to view their privates. Please cite an example in which a transgender person intentionally shows off his/her junk so as to force others to stare at it. This simply hasn’t happened, and this theoretical scenario is extremely unlikely for the obvious reason that transgender folks don’t want their biological gender to betray their gender identification in a socially humiliating way.
A point of view that is different from your own is called a disagreement. Not a meme. Not a false narrative. If this is your go-to comeback every time, there is dwindling confidence in your ability to argue on the merits.
@EarlVanDorn – most transgender people don’t make a switch overnight. Transition therapies require hormone treatment that lasts many months or years, coupled with extensive counseling. There is no such thing as being a boy one day and walking into the bathroom as a transgender girl the next. This is an expensive and socially-risky endeavor that is very visible to coworkers, family, neighbors and friends. Its not for the faint of heart nor the mentally unstable who woke up this next morning and suddenly got “new found womanhood” either. Transgender people secretly struggle with gender identity for years, sometimes decades – precisely because of comments like yours that mischaracterize their struggle as a whim or a deviant lifestyle choice.
@zoosermom --making everyone cover up in a communal shower sounds sensible to me.
Statute: Miss. Code Ann. § 41-57-21 (2006).
Text: Where there has been a bona fide effort to register a birth and the certificate thereof on file with the office of vital records does not divulge all of the information required by said certificate, or such certificate contains an incorrect first name, middle name, or sex, then the state registrar of vital records may, in his discretion, correct such certificate upon affidavit of at least two (2) reputable persons having personal knowledge of the facts in relation thereto. All other alterations shall be made as provided in Section 41-57-23. Anyone giving false information in such affidavit shall be subject to the penalties of perjury.
Administrative Code: Code Miss. R. 12 000 052, Rules 31-32
I’d be worried that it’s up to the State Registrar of Vital Records’ discretion.
Many other states require someone to have gone through gender reassignment surgery in order to get a new birth certificate despite the fact that most gender reassignment clinics won’t perform the surgery until someone has gone through extensive hormone treatment and cross-lived, i.e. lived as their [how to I state this clearly?] trans gender for a long period, typically a full year or longer. It’s not simply a matter of signing up to be a woman or man and going to city hall the next day. In addition gender reassignment is dangerous and quite expensive and not all TG people choose to undergo surgery for these reasons.
Then there are the states that won’t change the birth certificate at all. I believe they include Idaho, Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
(cross-posted with PragmaticMom)
awc regularly speaks on behalf of groups to which he doesn’t belong. I pointed this out to him several times, but have given up since he doesn’t seem to understand what I’m talking about.
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