Worst "acclaimed" book you have attempted

<p>I also couldn’t get engaged by “Bel Canto” and also felt like I had been magnetically repelled from “Special Topics in Calamity Physics”.</p>

<p>I started, but never finished, “Emma”. It made me feel like I was in a room with someone who was talking too much and I just needed to turn it off! </p>

<p>I spent a year getting through “The Mists of Avalon”. Well written, but you know where it’s going and it’s beyond dreary getting there. </p>

<p>I loved “The Shipping News”. Definitely not for everyone!</p>

<p>The posts about the difficulty of reading a book, whether there is anything wrong with a dense, complicated writing style and so forth does come down to taste, but it also comes down to the question about what writing is for, what is the author trying to do? Are they trying to get a point across in what they write, is it a story they are trying to tell, or are the words and the way they are written the intent? Where I personally have problems is when a writer seems more caught up in exotic wordcraft and showing how clever he/she is, then in putting forth an idea or story…</p>

<p>There is a direct parallel to this in modern concert music, where you had the rise of the atonal/12 tone music of Schonberg and such and much of this music is not easily accessible and much of it IMO is academic music where the whole point of the music seems to be in creating out there constructs probably understood by very few people, then actually making music people will listen to. The same arguments have been made there, that it forces people to think, that people ‘need to do their homework’ and such, but the reality is much of this music never really gets listened to by audiences (and despite claims that it is too soon, etc, Schonberg’s revolution happened almost 100 years ago, and it still hasn’t caught on with most audiences). Milton Babbit, one of the big movers in that school of music, once reputedly said something to the effect he didn’t care if audiences came to hear his music…but if no one comes to hear it, which after all, is what music is about, what purpose does it truly serve?</p>

<p>There is the obvious obverse side to this, something written for broad audience appeal alone (like some sort of novelty song in music that sells millions of copies) but with nothing underneath it…</p>

<p>When something is written or done merely to please the artist, where they decide to do something because it can be done, and they end up with an audience of few, do they have any more impact then the schlockmeister who gets read by millions? The true geniuses of the arts often were able to do both, Shakespeare was wildly popular with audiences yet he created something that still staggers the mind, Beethoven was acclaimed as a genius in his own time yet he was pretty revolutionary, was quite popular, had something of a falling off when he died, yet within 20 years became an icon ; Stravinsky literally caused riots with his music for “Le Sacre Du Printemps” yet within 10 years, despite being modern and revolutionary, it became a major piece of the concert repertoire, whereas in contrast the music of the Schonberg school of things is still difficult for audiences, and it has been around roughly 100 years. Writers have to write what their muse tells them, but to me a writer writing for the very few ‘enlightened’ isn’t really doing all that much. And yes, that is strictly my opinion, my taste…</p>

<p>I agree with the last poster, it isn’t about making people think, as ‘popular’ as Beethoven or Stravinsky or Prokofiev or Shastakovich are, their music is not trivial, it takes thought to comprehend them, and understand the message, some of it quite challenging, but they also are approachable; with books, something readable can be challenging, Hemingway’s writing was some of the more simple, straightforward prose written, yet it is rightfully considered some of the best writing in the English language IMO and quite frankly, the impact is going to be more then some book written by an esthete that is appreciated by a handful…</p>

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<p>Right. I chose to use the word “challenging” to describe what you called “hundreds of pages of dense, boring, and/or confusing prose” in your original post. If you had said “hundreds of pages of inept, toneless, flat, poorly structured prose” I might have agreed with you. Bad writing doesn’t deserve effort by the reader. But obviously, bad is not the same as complex. That’s my basic point.</p>

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<p>Honestly? I think you have some sort of weird chip on your shoulder, as evidenced by (1) your statement “just to prove that I’m worthy of being called literate.” I seriously doubt anyone is really asking you to prove your literacy (or justify your intellect) through your reading preferences. I certainly don’t believe anyone who is actively participating in a thread in which we confess to bailing on canonical or acclaimed works that left us flat is going to make any such judgments or throw stones; (2) your statement claiming that it’s the “writer’s fault, not the reader’s” which is a typical blame-shifting tactic; and (3) your quick assumption that I am condescending to you, or have any interest in comparing brain usage. Combined, it sends off a strong defensive vibe.</p>

<p>I am not trying to condescend to anyone. Very few of my favorite authors are stylistic or thematic heavyweights; many of my favorites are light and accessible. And for the record, I wasn’t calling you, personally, unintelligent.</p>

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Or it could mean that most readers aren’t interested in putting in the effort to get the rewards. Borges is, in my view, a complex writer whose stories yield great rewards. But they are not the most accessible to the average reader, and I would not be surprised if most readers found him “boring and confusing.” I would never claim that this failure to engage most readers shows that Borges is a poor communicator of his ideas.</p>

<p>In my experience, using what appeals to “most people” is a very poor indicator of quality.</p>

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<p>Me, too. I love anything by Annie Proux. Just spent the weekend with very literate friends and they all hated her writing, felt it was needlessly grim. I dunno. I just like her stuff.</p>

<p>The debate over “accessibility” has me thinking of Portrait of An Artist as a Young Man which was my first Joyce this past winter. It annoyed me no end. I complained all the way through it but couldn’t seem to give up on it and then afterwards thought and thought about it and finally picked it up again and read it again.</p>

<p>Still not entirely sure of what the book “means” but it’s experiential and deeply moving. If you can’t sum it up in a pithy sentence or two but you did keep reading and it stayed with you and made you ponder . . . then I guess it’s literature.</p>

<p>We read South of Broad for a book club and I really couldn’t bare it. Conroy is one of those uber-verbal writer who can’t stand to say it in one sentence when he has three or four to throw at you. I know he has a huge following.</p>

<p>I did state my opinion strongly, but I don’t begrudge anyone their own opinion whether it agrees with mine or not. What I took issue with was the suggestion that I think literature shouldn’t require one to think. I know some people enjoy very “dense” literature that requires very careful reading. That’s fine. But if I’m racking my brain just to follow along, just to grasp the narrative (as I was in Finnegan’s Wake, for example), then I find myself resenting the writer for being intentionally obtuse.</p>

<p>I hope that’s better.</p>

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<p>I didn’t say good writing has to appeal to anyone. I said it has to be comprehensible. Perhaps that is just a matter of opinion, but that’s what I said.</p>

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<p>As Conrad is one of my favorite writers, I wonder, can you put your finger on why his books don’t appeal to you? Just curious.</p>

<p>Since I helped de-rail this thread, let me try to push it back on track. More acclaimed or best-selling books I hated or quit:</p>

<p>Mystic River
A Prayer for Owen Meany
Walden</p>

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<p>Mantori, in the above passage, you do set an “objective” criterion. The “reasonably intelligent” reader. So you are asserting not an opinion (which would be a matter of taste) but an absolute–if the bulk of people, most of whom are reasonably intelligent don’t like it, it ain’t art. Case, apparently, closed.</p>

<p>Why not just say that that sort of thing doesn’t appeal to you? Why the need for objective dismissal? Again, many, many readers read and enjoy Melville, Faulkner, Joyce, Borges, Wallace, Pynchon, etc etc. That you don’t choose to seems a poor reasoning to assert that they are not art, or don’t communicate something. </p>

<p>And if you ask, what do they mean? What are they communicating? I’d point to the words–that’s what they mean. If it could be said a different way, it would have been.</p>

<p>I tried to read Walden, I wanted to love Walden. I couldn’t get through it.</p>

<p>What do people think of The Bonfire of the Vanities? I read it and couldn’t put it down, thought the social satire was brilliant. But once I’d finished it, I was sorry I’d read it. At that point it seemed overdone to me.</p>

<p>I have tried many times to read James Joyce’s Ulysess–can’t do it. I find it unreadable. </p>

<p>I have spent part of the summer re-reading Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice, Emma, and Sense and Sensibility) and Emily Bronte (Wuthering Heights) and Charlotte Bronte (Jane Eyre). I read all these books in high school and thought it might be fun to re-read them as an adult. I thought Bronte sisters were far more readable and the characters/stories much more interesting/thought provoking than Jane Austen. </p>

<p>Some recent best sellers that many loved and I hated:
Tuesdays with Morrie, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Gilead, and both of Johnathan Franzen’s novels (The Corrections and Freedom).</p>

<p>I don’t entirely agree with mantori’s posts, but, that said, respectfully, garland, I think you are putting words in his mouth . He did NOT say:</p>

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<p>mantori isn’t talking about liking. He’s talking about not being able to understand what the heck is going on without taking a literature course. There’s a difference. </p>

<p>I like musicprnt’s explanation.</p>

<p>Perhaps. But it doesn’t take a literature course. it does take a lot of time, energy, and work. I understand not wanting to. I read Gravity’s Rainbow in high school, on my own, just because I wanted to. I read Infinite Jest as an adult, on my own, because i wanted to. It doesn’t take a lit course to do so. It’s a matter of interest. </p>

<p>I know scads of people who can’t sit through opera, or classical concerts, or jazz improv. I don’t think those things aren’t art because of that. (I myself have less than no interest in opera, really don’t like it at all. Doesn’t make any sense to me and I don’t like the music. That’s my failing, not opera’s.)</p>

<p>George Eliot’s works are available for free at Project Gutenberg. Download to your Kindle, IPad, or Nook today!</p>

<p>Barely read halfway through Eat, Pray, Love and will not finish. Didn’t like the writing style. Didin’t like the flow. Didn’t really get “into” the POV.</p>

<p>Some books may have a different appeal at different times of our lives. A lot of whether we find something accessible or interesting will depend upon our own life experiences and whether we can relate to what is going on or not. If the subject isn’t interesting to a particular reader, plowing along for the sake of the literary value alone hardly seems worth the trouble when there are so many other options. </p>

<p>Absolutely loved Hunchback of Notre Dame except for the chapter where Hugo describes Paris. If I had ever actually been to Paris, maybe that would have meant something to me, but otherwise, it was rather skipable. </p>

<p>Persevered through Hesse’s The Glass Bead Game because the writing was so extraordinary, but I absolutely hated the ending.</p>

<p>Loved Atlas Shrugged except that it took an entire year to read.</p>

<p>100 years of Solitude makes me shudder to remember it.</p>

<p>When I say I don’t like something, it’s implicit that it’s my opinion and no one else’s. I don’t have to qualify every opinion by saying “but that’s just my opinion,” do I?</p>

<p>Of course what I said is just my opinion about what I like or don’t like. I’m not holding a gun to anyone’s head and insisting that they agree. That’s what baffles me about the negative responses.</p>

<p>Fair enough, Mantori. You seemed to be saying: “this is not good, and not art, and this is why” (especially when you made the particular insistence that it was not a matter of taste, it was an intrinsic problem with these kinds of books.)</p>

<p>If that’s not what you meant, then i misread. I had thought that was your particular point.</p>

<p>I think we’re all mellow now. :)</p>

<p>Sure. Mellow’s good.</p>

<p>Now someone say you dislike a book that I liked. I dare ya. Anyway, I see the point about stating what I think is or is not a matter of taste. The hitch is that that is, in essence, a matter of taste. Doesn’t leave much room for civil disagreement. I get it.</p>