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<p>Nice try, but I applied only to schools that people have actually heard of.</p>
<p>sigh. really?! (rhetorical question…)</p>
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You are a prestige hunter. “I apply to schools people have heard of” or something along those lines. </p>
<p>BTW, I am so sorry you got waitlisted at WashU.</p>
<p>PS I am a high school senior and noone in my competitve private school has heard of Wash U, but I am still applying (ED) because I know it is a great school. I have a chance at “Ivies”, or schools that people have heard of, but I know that I place academics over prestige, even if the well-known schools have good academics, I know they will not be better than Wash U, atleast for pre-med</p>
<p>To sum up, sorry you got waitlisted interesting guy, and keeping on hunting for prestige to impress our friends and family.</p>
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<p>These two actions are not consistent with each other.</p>
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<p>What a ringing endorsement!</p>
<p>It has to be said again, unfortunately. Just completely ignore this ■■■■■, he is so bored with his life he had to bump this thread so he could do just this. Do not respond, eventually he will get a life or at least move on to some other useless activity. I mean, it isn’t like anyone actually believes anything he says about himself, anyway.</p>
<p>I am sorry to revive this but its quite hilarious how interesting guy still never answered the question as to why he bashes duke and WashU. </p>
<p>I am guessing he was not accepted at either, or the HYP he adores.</p>
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<p>I have criticized the domestic and foreign policies of North Korea. By your logic, that must mean I was denied citizenship there???</p>
<p>FYI, I think Duke and WashU sychophants tend to make misleading and disgenuous statements about their schools. </p>
<p>For example, Dukies say their school is HYP quality and WUSTLers say their school does not game the rankings or send hs students spam mail.</p>
<p>Both schools are overrated and overranked. Intuitively, even their applicants know this, which is why the vast majority of Duke and WashU admits choose to enroll elsewhere.</p>
<p>At a tuition forum on Monday, the Chancellor brought up our current state as a University. One of the challenges that he brought up is that many students who get accepted at WashU choose to go to other schools. The number he gave was 30-40% of accepted students actually matriculate, which he stated is a problem for most of “our 25 research-based peer institutions with the exception of Yale, Harvard, Princeton, and maybe Stanford.” Schools like CalTech and MIT are not included in the comparison.</p>
<p>I think that “interestingguy” argument is fairly illogical for three main reasons:
-The “vast majority” is a number ranging from 60-70%, which no doubt is a majority, but by no means a vast majority. With students applying to many schools and getting accepted to a handful of quality universities, it makes sense that the number is less than 50% accepted students attending
-By his definition the quality of a university is defined by the “yield” of applications. That may be how an outsider looks at us, but the Chancellor (and most people in academia) use this with MANY other parameters, most importantly: having a qualified and diversified faculty, a qualified and diverse student body, and (for a research institution like WashU) quality of research. WashU excels in all of these fields. Our professors, based on my experiences, engaging and brilliant in their teaching and, objectively, in their qualifications. Looking at the student’s qualifications here is similiarly impressive. This school has a lot of qualified students as can be seen by HS GPA, standardized test scores, and extracurricular performance of students. The last parameter, research, is something that WashU excels above all others. Of the 440 million dollars the federal government gave out as part of the stimulus package for research (for all the schools in the US), 80 million went to WashU.
-The connection between students coming here and a school being overrated is not a solid argument. No light bulb goes off between the application deadline and acceptance. Students apply to WashU because they would consider attending. For a variety of reasons, be it money, other good options, or something they just don’t like about campus (like when they find out we don’t have a journalism school, etc.), students decide to not to go here, and go to other “overrated schools.” </p>
<p>Also could you provide some examples of disingenuous statements made by the WashU in their application materials?
I do know sometimes tour guides make mistakes when giving tours. For example, on my way to go swimming this morning I walked past a tour guide who said we had an Olympic-sized swimming pool. We do not. However, as a body, admissions does a fantastic job of showing the “real” WashU.</p>
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<p>Where’s the inconsistency?</p>
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<p>ONE quality of a university is its yield, as a proxy for desirability. The more desirable a school happens to be, the more likely it attracts a stronger student body.</p>
<p>WashU administrators know that the school is not nearly as attractive as the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc., which is why it needs to pay its top applicants a salary or stipend to go there. As a pre-emptive strike, WashU waitlists the others it cannot afford to give a free ride.</p>
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<p>You’ve just described a typical top 30 or 50 school. I willingly concede that WashU is a top 30 or 50 school. My point is that it is not even close to being the #12 school in the nation.</p>
<p>Other “top 15” schools have more highly ranked departments, stronger grad school placement, more accomplished alumni, greater name recognition, etc.</p>
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<p>…the school as a backup.</p>
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<p>I was referring mostly to the sycophants who reside in these forums.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure the rest of the sane population will trust the US rankings over the tastes and preferences of some guy with no prior credentials to even bash any school, be it Harvard, WashU, or Mass Bay Community College. </p>
<p>Have you even graduated from college yet, do you even have your bachelors interesting guy??</p>
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<p>"Students apply to WashU because they would consider attending</p>
<p>…the school as a backup."</p>
<p>…just in case they dont get into Harvard. </p>
<p>“Both schools are overrated and overranked. Intuitively, even their applicants know this, which is why the vast majority of Duke and WashU admits choose to enroll elsewhere.”</p>
<p>Because those two schools share applicants with Ivies. So, many ignorant high school students would rather attend an Ivy than those two schools simply because they are so obsessed with prestige. I’m sure you understand, interestingguy! After all, you are one of them. =D</p>
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<p>or Yale or Princeton or Stanford or MIT or Caltech or Brown or Columbia or Dartmouth or Penn or Cornell or Amherst or Williams or Swarthmore or Pomona, etc. or any of the schools ranked above it in the Revealed Preferences study…</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/626-new-revealed-preference-ranking-released.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/626-new-revealed-preference-ranking-released.html</a></p>
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<p>So you admit that WashU lacks prestige.</p>
<p>The truly “ignorant” high school students are the ones who cannot see a college’s admissions or marketing practices for what they are or applies to to a college based on its US News rankings…</p>
<p>Or fails to realize that prestige confers real advantages.</p>
<p>Oh please.
That revealed preferences data is from 2004.</p>
<p>Get some updated data will you? A LOT has changed at WUSTL in the last 5-6 years.</p>
<p>“So you admit that WashU lacks prestige.”</p>
<p>No, I didnt say that. Please learn how to read carefully. =)</p>
<p>“The truly “ignorant” high school students are the ones who cannot see a college’s admissions or marketing practices for what they are or applies to to a college based on its US News rankings…”</p>
<p>If a college is really bad, no matter how much marketing they do, students will still not want to apply or attend that school. </p>
<p>“Or fails to realize that prestige confers real advantages.”</p>
<p>Says a highschooler or a freshman at a college, who hasnt seen the real world yet. Nice try! =)</p>
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<p>Okay, I am saying that.</p>
<p>There really is no reason to feed this ignorant person. Just let it die. When he bumps, ignore it.</p>
<p>^ Thanks for your bump.</p>