Yale Community at Odds Over Consent

@Hanna: I think you’re right to point out the ambiguity, but even if she meant “he ignored me” it’s going to be a tough statement to get past on cross. Of course, the college gets around that by not allowing cross, which I suppose is one way to make sure a proceeding ends with the desired result.

@Ohiodad51: I haven’t looked into it, but I wonder if one could bring a collateral attack in one of the many suits against colleges? (i.e., the college should not have followed the DCL because it was not lawfully enacted.)

@Demosthenes49, yeah if the college was defending the suit by saying they were required to adopt whatever policy because of the OCR and the DCL, that might work. You might have to interplead OCR and go the long way around in that circumstance, but maybe. Again I think that is something that will have to shake out over time.

Re-posting in correct thread:

@Ohiodad51 I thought the DCL was in fact codified through the SAVE Act. It’s an amendment to the Clery Act which keeps all the reporting requirements under Clery and then incorporates the language of the DCL. It was introduced back in 2013 by Senator Bob Casey. I have linked an overview and if you go to the bottom of the first page it references “Conduct Proceedings” which looks to simply incorporate the DCL:

http://www.cleryact.info/campus-save-act.html

You can see what two education department officials said about the DCL letter. Its not binding.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/education-department-officials-candid-acknowledgement/article/2573581

https://www.thefire.org/second-department-of-education-official-in-eight-days-tells-congress-guidance-is-not-binding/

@HarvestMoon1, there are very specific steps an agency is supposed to follow to implement new rules and guidelines which the OCR admittedly did not follow in issuing the DCL.

In addition, most advocate groups believed the SAVE act (Clery version) was intended to modify/water down the “guidance” in the DCL by not codifying the mandate that the preponderance standard be used and that colleges were required to define sexual assault in accordance with the law in their jurisdiction rather than the more expansive definition in DCL, etc.

The SAVE act is currently making its way through the courts, so we are probably a year or more away from learning whether Congress can regulate Tittle IX in this way.

@Ohiodad51 I am thinking along the lines that it is a “regulation” versus “compliance” issue. If the schools want to lose their federal funding and pay $35,000 per violation, then they are free to opt out. Compliance cannot be forced on them at the end of the day. So if that option is available it cannot be called a “regulation” in the strictest sense of the word.

I did read that the enactment of the SAVE Act was a contentious process and there was input from both sides - unsure if that amounts to what you referred to in a post on an earlier thread as the “comment period.” But technically SAVE is part of Clery which in turn is part of the Violence Against Women’s Act. They did not just drop it in there.

Is that process separate and apart from the “specific steps an agency is supposed to follow to implement new guidelines” that you refer to above?

“If the schools want to lose their federal funding and pay $35,000 per violation, then they are free to opt out.”

Nice school you have here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it…

From an admin law point of view, do practicalities matter? There are maybe 10 schools in the country that could stay open tomorrow without federal funding. Everybody else has to do what the DOE “suggests” or go broke and die. Is that truth relevant to the question of whether a suggestion has the force of law? I wrote my last admin law brief in 2004, and it was about Chevron deference in the banking industry, so I have no idea.

Yes, I agree that practically speaking no school is going to opt out. I was attempting to reconcile the links that @dadoftwingirls posted in #403 with that practicality.

@Ohiodad51 do you have a docket reference/citation for that case or do you know where it is pending?

@HarvestMoon1, let me back way up and bear with me. Congress passes a law and the President signs it. Let’s call that law the Occupational Safety and Health Act. That law says that employers over a certain size have an obligation to provide a safe workplace, safety equipment for workers, etc. But the law itself speaks in generalities, and does not specify standards for compliance with the law, which is generally a good thing because Congress knows bupkis about how to make or build stuff. The Department of Labor is the Executive branch agency which is tasked with ensuring compliance with the mandates of OSHA. It is the Dept’s job to determine what regulations are necessary to ensure a safe workplace. So the way it is intended to work is that the Dept of Labor gets a bunch of labor groups, industry groups and manufacturers together and they talk about things like guarding on pinch points, line speed, guardrail height, etc. In reality what happens is that lobbyists from favored constituencies have a ton of input in the proposed rule making, entities thought to not be supportive of the current administration much less so. Shocking, I know. Then the Dept drafts some regulations on those topics and puts it out for public comment. These proposed rules are in most cases published in the Federal Register, and are intended to be pretty formal. After the proposed rule is published there is a comment period when interested parties can air their opinions about the proposed rule. In reality, the comment period allows those groups who were in less political favor and therefore shut out of the proposed rule making to marshall political support to force modifications in the proposed rule. The Dept is supposed to see what comes out of the comment period, “tweak” the proposed rule as necessary, and then issue a final rule. That is the administrative rule making process.

None of this happened with the DCLs issued by the OCR (there have been several, not just the one we all are talking about). Frankly, this has become a troubling trend over the last several administrations, but has increased exponentially since Obama lost the house in 2010. Why is this a big deal? Because there is no mechanism to provide input by affected parties certainly. But also because it is virtually impossible to challenge the agency’s position in court.

That is kind of where we jumped off here. Normally, the APA allows an affected party to directly challenge an administrative rule in a real court. In these sexual assault cases, that would mean that a guy who got tossed from school could bring an action in federal court and test the constitutionality of the DCL mandates, and you would hear a lot about due process, arbitrariness and whether Title IX was really intended to stretch so far as to mandate a quasi legal system be set up in colleges. But because the OCR did not issue rules covering the topics in the DCL, they can sit back and do what they do, saying the DCL is not mandatory so there is nothing to challenge. The only obvious way to challenge the DCL is for a college to refuse to comply and eat the hundreds of millions of dollars it will lose not only by the summary loss of federal funding, but in defending the extraordinarily vigorous “investigation” the OCR will launch about two minutes after the college says it is not complying. Think the IRS and the Tea Party times a hundred. As a strategy it is great, and effectively means there is no over sight of the agency rule making. The only down side is that a new administration can change the policy at a whim.

So practically, because neither Title IX nor the SAVE act specifies that colleges must apply a preponderance standard of proof (as an example), there is no way to challenge the imposition of that standard. Make sense?

And the case about the SAVE Act is in the DC Circuit. (1:14-cv-00366) As I understand it, it deals with whether the Clery Act can modify the requirements of Title IX or whether it is completely separate.

Wasn’t FIRE looking for a case (free of charge) to test?

I was surprised that Montague filed his lawsuit. I suspect that there are relevant facts that are omitted from his complaint and statement (not that there’s anything sinister about that–that’s how you write a complaint). It will be interesting to see if we are able to read Yale’s response.

@momofthreeboys, yes I believe they are.

@hunt, yep. No point getting excited about what is put into the pleadings in any case. If every complaint was a true and fair summary of the facts, there would be a heck of a lot of rich plaintiff lawyers out there.

Well, LOL, I for one feel like we’re living in a Lewis Carroll’s version of campus justice…verdict first then a trial.

Aren’t there a heck of a lot of rich plaintiff lawyers out there?

I suspect the fact that they filed this means there may not be a lot of other facts out there. What other facts are there supposed to be? Maybe the woman gave stronger testimony in person than her written statements, but there isn’t any record of that. There’s clearly stuff we don’t know about the aftermath – the complaint makes clear that she told Montague after the fact that she was upset, and it clearly broke off their relationship (which was weird and intermittent to begin with). But still, Yale has to live with the fact that she had to be coaxed to come forward after 15 months, quite likely by being given misleading information and almost certainly by being given that information in clear violation of policies.

The big bombshell – which was apparent from Day 1 – was that there were prior disciplinary proceedings, but unless the complaint is completely lying both the relevance of the prior problem to this incident and the way in which it was handled procedurally in the expulsion are very problematic.

Unfortunately. Although I have been trying my best to keep from adding to their numbers for many years now. :slight_smile:

It strikes me odd, or maybe I’m different, but having a “relationship”…which I would say is a fact if you climb into bed with someone 4 times for whatever amusement, talking about whatever upset her with him and “breaking up” is so very normal and doesn’t feel like something a “college” should be adjudicating - cripes half the time kids that age are going to do this a number of times before they get married…it feels like life. I think a jury would be scratching their heads and thinking “how did this ever end up in court?”

Apropos of these lawsuits by defendants, I got a new case this morning where the accused student was both expelled and paid off. Generously. I can’t say much else, but it says a lot about the competing pressures on schools.

That is a twist…isn’t that called 'hush" money :slight_smile:

@Ohiodad51 appreciate #409 on the rule making process. Although I am coming to different conclusions on why it didn’t happen with the DCL.

Let me get a hold of the case you referenced - from what I can tell there was a decision rendered. I’ll review it tonight and share my thoughts.