I’m not sure where this idea that there are no native students at YLS comes from.
https://www.law.yale.edu/student-life/student-journals-and-publications/student-organizations/native-american-law-students
@boolaHI - I ordinarily don’t like to be this strident, but what the bleep are you talking about?
I personally know one young lady who’s on a tribal registry and at YLS right now.
There’s an entire students association dedicated to Native Americans at Yale Law School:
It appears to me that the YLS '16 class has at least 3 students who identify as Native American. That’s more or less the same as the proportion as in the US population
Also, for the record 46% of the US citizens and permanent residents in latest incoming class at Yale college identifies as a student of color. This is very close to “a half”. Some people need to read more carefully - for starters, they are confusing Yale college with the professional schools and are not correctly taking into account multi-racial or international students.
Honestly, has no one in this thread seen Yale students recently, or just walked into a dining hall??? You would instantly know the “half” statistic is more or less right.
And the shredding of admissions files has nothing to do with destroying documents in advance of legal proceedings. Google for 30 seconds and you can read the story if you aren’t familiar with it already.
This thread is beginning to degenerate.
Added - cross posted with Sue22. Apologies.
Then it must have worked, as that referred to letter was late in 2012.
@Sue22, wow. That kind of puts that argument to bed.
LOL!! Lots of apologies are in order!!!
And the issue of open records/FERPA was 2014/2015. Not seeing a 2012 correspondence.
Why. Was he a party to this conversation or topic?
Why what? The apology to panpacific?
@boolaHl, I am curious how you got this impression, when the link @Sue22 provided seems to completely contradict your claim.
ETA: Never mind. I missed a page of posts.
Ack! Where are the moderators? Any chance we can get back to thoughtful discussion?
He cited an incorrect statement as to the student population, which is still incorrect.
Data shows 47%-60% caucasian, depending on what stats one reads (Yale CDS, Factsheet etc) but Its NOT almost 75% caucasian, as you claim, ( and al2simon’s post 1202 is spot on), nor is your info correct about NA in YLS. So kindly tone down the rhetoric (thats a request, please don’t incorrectly claim that you are being told what to do). Is there evidence of a 2012 letter? If so, it would be an interesting read, so please kindly post it.
Why call and appeal to moderators.
Can’t we take EC’s advice to “ignore” or work it out among the offending posters without appealing to higher authorities? After all, we’re all adults and mostly far older than your typical 17–22 year old undergrads.
In fact, isn’t this very appeal “infantilizing” and OMG!..infringing on the “free speech” of those whose posts don’t accord with your definition of “thoughtful discussion”?
@cobrat: A bit unfair as I never argued any of that. Moderation has already been used on this thread and is used frequently on CC to keep conversations on track and moving forward.
There is no “freedom of speech” on a privately owned website, as the TOS illustrate. The Mods can and do censor the speech of adults on this web site, and everyone who has an account here has had to sign agreement with these rules.
Whether or not a moderator would do so on this particular thread, I have no idea, but if and when the dialogue no longer adheres to the TOS, posts will be deleted and/or the thread closed. Additionally, the mods DO provide for objection to the discourse here by providing the flag option, acknowledging that sometime the adults on this forum actually DON’T work it out amongst themselves.
By the same token, “freedom of speech” doesn’t really apply to Yale either as they are a private institution, not a branch of the US government. And as a private institution, they have the theoretical right to institute more restrictive measures on speech or other means of expression if they feel it would help promote a safe conducive environment for the education of ALL their students. Whether it’s a good idea is another discussion.
However, many on this thread have insinuated and even accused the university officials of sending the initial email advisory about asking students to consider civility and the feelings of others when deciding on a choice of costumes and providing some rough guidelines as "OMG! Censorship! and “OMG! University is telling us what costumes to wear!” when that advisory email was absolutely nothing of the kind.
Hence my use of classicalmama’s post as a jump-off point to satirize this among such posters in this thread.
@cobrat I thought of the irony myself as I was posting. For the record, I agree with your criticism of those responses (if there were any such posters–I came in to the thread a bit late). I thought it was great to have both emails out there in the Yale ether. I also think that Free Speech is a red herring. Yale’s stance on Freedom of Expression, expressed in the Woodward Report, is the standard we should be measuring the current events at Yale against.
I’m all for moderation, whether on CC or at Yale. I don’t think people should be banned from the public square, but I think it’s good for entities to have and enforce their own codes of civility, and I’m glad that my kid goes to a school with one that articulates so clearly the balance between free speech and civil discuourse. It’s also the reason I like the CC forums.
Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t recall any post chastising Yale for sending out the initial email reminding its students to exercise good judgment when choosing Halloween costumes. @cobrat, can you reference which post/poster did that?
I think the debate arose as to whether it was wrong to attempt to stifle the type of speech reflected in the EC email, not the initial Yale email (the EC email being the one wherein she expressed an alternative way of handling potentially offensive costumes).
I don’t think EC herself chastised Yale for sending out the initial email, and I don’t recall any poster here claiming that Yale did not have the right to send out the initial email, either.
The Woodward Report/Freedom of Expression was written under President Kingman Brewster’s tutelage at Yale. He, IMO, did an excellent job of leadership during what were at times challenging times.
@cobrat, I don’t recall anyone here saying anything of the sort. But I will confess to possibly not having seen every post. I think I was pretty late to the thread.
"However, many on this thread have insinuated and even accused the university officials of sending the initial email advisory about asking students to consider civility and the feelings of others when deciding on a choice of costumes and providing some rough guidelines as “OMG! Censorship! and “OMG! University is telling us what costumes to wear!” when that advisory email was absolutely nothing of the kind.”
Actually, as far as I could tell, NO ONE on this thread accused the Yale officials of “OMG censorship! OMG they are telling us what to wear!” I think pretty much everyone on this thread has agreed that the initial email was appropriate and by no means censorship. What kind of idiot would misrepresent it as censorship, anyway, when it was nothing of the sort?