Yale professor: My students aren’t snowflakes, and they don’t melt

@mom2twogirls
Beat me to it! :wink:
Talk about snowflakes and living in a bubble…
And how soon some folks forget about the “outrage” of 2012…conveniently forget.
But now I see this is just digressing into people’s own self fulfilling notions of what college students at “Ivory Tower” are like without any regard to what is actually happening there.

All of my college age children told us there was a meltdown atmosphere at their universities - some of their professors even spent class time talking about how HORRIFYING it was that Trump won the election… maybe I am all washed up and 1/2 of them would have melted down if Trump lost too.

I guess I will never know for sure.

Considering that only roughly 26% percent of registered voters voted for Trump, I doubt it would equal 1/2. If you consider the voting demographics and how the vast, vast majority of those 18-23 voted, I doubt it would get anywhere close to that 26% on most college campuses. This doesn’t support either side of the discussion here. Just want to point out that 1/2 the students voting for the President Elect isn’t a thing on the majority of college campuses anyway. :slight_smile:

Point remains - assuming that students voting for Trump are the minority, I wonder how mourning a loss very publicly would be perceived.

What was the outrage of 2012?

@tonymom I looked up 2012 Election Outrage because you are right I had forgotten. Perhaps it was mostly ignored or perhaps you were being facetious. Mostly what I found was a few pundits (including Donald Trump) who were pretty hacked off. Nothing to compare to what is happening today. I understand what is happening on campus. I can empathize with the students, I have voted in 10 presidential elections and the candidate I voted for lost in half, however, I don’t really sympathize. I realize that the disappointment might be greater because the expectations of success were so much higher. Learning to live with disappointments is part of the maturing process. I admit that I look at this as coddling immaturity. This is an opportunity for students to realize that there are other points of view and often they are merely different ways of viewing the same problem. In a democratic republic sometimes your opponents views will prevail. They must step back and adapt and work to change minds in the future. To do so will give them back some sense of control in the situation. In our system we know things will change in as early as two years and definitely four. I think both sides need to realize that name calling changes nothing but only leads to divisiveness.

@Zinhead Seems you’ve conveniently forgot!

My daughter text me the day after the election to let me know some students where in full melt down mode…

Gainesville (UF) is a very liberal town, so the “Trump Resistance Movement” has moved into early planning mode. However, not all of the students are onboard:

http://www.alligator.org/news/campus/article_0cb5b426-aaee-11e6-bd86-678ca55672de.html

Indeed. And it wasn’t only 2012…but also 2008. Some of the protests I recalled recorded in photos now passed around FB included:

President Obama being lynched and burned in effigy, protestors holding signs depicting him as an ape, the whole birther nonsense which the Yuge one himself promoted and doubled down on as recently as earlier this year, White Supremacist militant groups in online fora vowing race wars, the rise of the extreme right Tea Party with its divisive practice of using “dogwhistles” to downplay their bigotry against marginalized groups or those different from them,

provides an overview of this in the 2012 election.

I have not stereotyped or mocked anyone, lookingforward; I have merely expressed my disagreement with this sort of behavior. Furthermore, tonymom, two of my own children attended Ivy Tower institutions so I think I know a little something about what students there are like. In truth, many, many of them are very privileged. They come from families who hold open an apartment in Manhattan just for them, so they can go in to the city any time they want and have a fun weekend with their college buddies. Others think nothing of buying front row tickets to the hottest concert in town for their child and her 12 best friends. The bedroom of my D’s first college boyfriend was larger than the entire first floor of our home. Many of their peers had attended expensive private prep schools like Harvard Westlake and Exeter, while even the public school kids usually went to the best public schools in the most affluent suburbs like Palo Alto or Chatham NJ. I also live near an Ivy. The elite school communities, while very lovely, bear little resemblance to an average American town in the Rust Belt. The communities most elite school students hail from also bear little resemblance to ordinary American towns.

FYI, close to 50% of the kids at Exeter are on financial aid. I wouldn’t necessarily use that as a barometer of rich and spoiled.

I understand that, but their background is still privileged at least educationally. They actually had a guidance counselor who knew their name and met with them before completing their counselor rec, for example. By the way, I never used the word “spoiled.” You did.

^ And a large proportion at the Ivies.

But I don’t doubt, the GFG, that your kiddo met some wealthier others. They exist everywhere. Including where you live. But where do you get extrapolating about the whole of colleges? Sometimes, the problem is we only see what we see, then try to assume that’s all there is, we missed nothing.

^Not sure where that fits in to your narrative above then considering some of them do come from “ordinary American towns”, whatever the heck that means anyway. Trying to improve their situation by working hard academically and taking advantage of opportunities presented to them (private school education and good guidance counselors) deserves chastising?

My kids went to a college with plenty of rich, but they didn’t get starry eyed. Of D1’s closest friends, one lived on a gated estate (nicest parents,) and other was wealthy and ultra conservative. Another two were from struggling single parent families. All nice kids. All concerned about the world around them and actively involved, in various ways. Real people, individuals, not stereotypes or caricatures,

Where did I chastise? I said many elite school students come from communities that do not look much like the ones that were likely to have voted for Trump. Where did I extrapolate anything else to other colleges? I said that presumably students at a place like Yale would be among our most mature and capable, and therefore not the type who people would expect would need help comforting themselves. The Ivies came up because I was responding to a poster who implied I don’t know anything about students at Ivy League schools in response to that assertion about Yalies. I have been discussing this situation at Yale, and only mentioned in one post that other schools like the University of Michigan Law School also made similar accommodations to upset students.

"two of my own children attended Ivy Tower institutions so I think I know a little something about what students there are like. In truth, many, many of them are very privileged. " And so on. Post 68

And many are not.

And you think that is mocking or chastising to say they are privileged? I don’t. But we can chose another adjective if you’d like. I didn’t say “wealthy” on purpose, so as not to exclude those Exeter types on FA. And of course we know not every student at Yale comes from wealth. But still, could socio-economics be one explanation why many students were so paralyzingly shocked Trump won?

Nope. I think you worded it to say, “I think I know a little something about what students there are like.” In fact, there are many sorts.

Somehow, you seem to think an earlier post responding to another is directed at you. Or that saying some mocked has to include you. ?

And frankly, hordes are shocked he won. Or there wouldn’t be these protests.

Keep in mind that many of the “real Americans” from Rust belt and other communities tend to heavily stereotype anyone who is different from themselves.

This isn’t only illustrated from the “salt of the earth” speeches in American politics…especially in recent election cycles which were meant to cater to and flatter them which imply anyone who aren’t like them aren’t “real Americans”.

I also got to see some of this firsthand when I witnessed many locals from the surrounding area in and around my Midwest LAC making many stereotypical stereotyping remarks about those living on the coasts and about all of us college students “being rich”, “pinko-commie”, “sexual deviant freaks”.

That is if they weren’t yelling racist/sexist/homophobic slurs directly at us college students while driving by us/our campus, harassing us in public for using language other than English, creepily staring at and making disparaging remarks about interracial dating couples, etc. And that took place in the mid-late '90s.

This was one key factor other than stark political differences between the majority of the local townspeople and my LAC’s campus culture why town-gown relations were so bad when I attended.

“In truth, many, many of them are very privileged… Many of their peers had attended expensive private prep schools like Harvard Westlake and Exeter”

You are lumping people together into stereotypes, calling them privileged which I doubt, given your examples, you are using in a complementary fashion. You are assuming Exeter grads don’t come from “ordinary American towns”.

" I said many elite school students come from communities that do not look much like the ones that were likely to have voted for Trump"

The presumption that Trump voters are coming primarily from certain types of communities is a false one, although it is getting a lot of play in the press. In the Northeast there are a lot of Trump voters who do not come from areas of lower socio-economics and weaker job opportunities but rather from areas of privilege and and low unemployment. A lot of those students might not be Trump supporters themselves but my guess is a lot of their parents (and areas they come from) are. I think you are projecting a bit.