You know the Presidential Race is already over When...

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<p>I really like this quote from Larry Hunter, a Republican supporting Obama. Sort of sums up the problem:</p>

<p>“The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit old leaders stumbling around like zombies in a horror version of ‘Weekend With Bernie,’ handcuffed to a corpse.”</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/25/AR2008062501942.html]washingtonpost.com[/url”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/25/AR2008062501942.html]washingtonpost.com[/url</a>]</p>

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<p>When I was young and a more outspoken liberal than I am now, I used to embarrass my parents by telling people that every Republican I knew was either stupid, mean or greedy. Perhaps telling their very Republican minister that was a little over the line. At least I told him that he could pick which of the traits suited him. I have my hand basket ready BTW. That was, of course, well before I came into contact with the very smart, caring and generous Republicans on CC.</p>

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<p>There is an effort afoot to make McCain interesting:</p>

<p>[Crooks</a> and Liars Media](<a href=“Page not found | Crooks and Liars”>Page not found | Crooks and Liars)</p>

<p>Whatever that effort yields, 5 months is an eternity in political time. There are plenty of things that could happen in this election.</p>

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<p>I agree with the OP. The Presidential race (of 2004) is over.</p>

<p>The 2008 race has not even begun. It will begin after the conventions.</p>

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<p>cartera - you remind me of a quote I heard (attributed to Winston Churchill tho’ I haven’t seen documentation):</p>

<p>“If you aren’t a Liberal in your 20’s, then you don’t have a heart; if you aren’t a Conservative in your 40’s, then you don’t have a brain”.</p>

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<p>Uh, I’m in Illinois and everybody LOVES Obama. Even elementary school children are crazy for the guy.</p>

<p>Maybe he’s not as popular in southern Illinois…but that’s not REALLY IL anymore, that’s the south, and they have very little impact on anything that happens here lol.</p>

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<p>…When they start recycling the Stuff from the last election cycle.</p>

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<p>We wish Cook County would just break off. It’d really solve a lot of the STATE’s problems. “Southern Illinois” to you guys also includes the STATE CAPITOL if you remember.</p>

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<p>I live in England, and we’re all interested in this too, seeing as we’re talking about the most powerful person on earth. Or is that Oprah?</p>

<p>I like to think of myself as fairly cynical, but after Obama’s Philadelphia speech, I was hooked. Have you noticed that unlike GWB, he can speak in sentences and talk about issues and not look like he wants to run away all the time? The serious British newspapers all say the election is his to lose. I think we’re all lucky that someone so impressive is on the horizon.</p>

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Have you noticed that unlike GWB, he can speak in sentences and talk about issues and not look like he wants to run away all the time?
So the words he actually speaks mean nothing to you?</p>

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<p>What is so impressive? I know lots of salesmen who speak as well as Obama.</p>

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<p>Wow, the salesmen you know talk that eloquently of matters of deep concern to our republic? I think I know different salesmen than you.</p>

<p>On the other hand, no successful salesman would get by with McCain’s speaking skills…</p>

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<p>Our Commander in Chief has no command of English.</p>

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<p>Maybe he speaks Spanish. Remember, there is no official language. ;)</p>

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<p>Actually many of the liberals here in New York sound exactly like Senator Obama on a daily basis. There’s a group of Greenpeace folks right on the corner outside my office these days that would give the senator a run for his money. I’m completely serious about that, by the way. I’m not an Obama hater, I’m genuinely curious as to the poster’s opinion, which is why I asked the question.</p>

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<p>For all of the praise heaped on Obama about what a great speaker he is, I don’t find him so wonderful to listen to. He stutters & stammers a lot & pauses way too much, and I don’t even like the inflection of his words (punches the last word in his sentences too much). And besides that, he doesn’t even pronounce things that well - “Clintn” for example.</p>

<p>Now I know anyone is better than GWB, but take away the teleprompter and Obama is cringeworthy too.</p>

<p>On the other hand, take away the teleprompter & a prepared speech & McCain is GREAT! That’s why Obama is too chicken to accept McCain’s challenges for ten Town Hall debates. McCain will eat his lunch. McCain has full command of the subject matter/issues and can think on his feet w/ skill.</p>

<p>Quite a disparity b/w Obama & McCain - one can’t speak w/out a teleprompter (Obama) and hems & haws areound every answer; and the other (McCain) does poorly WITH a teleprompter, yet is straightforward when speaking directly - and can discuss issues at length w/ no preparation.</p>

<p>Which one is REALLY the better & more informed speaker??</p>

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<p>zoosermom - of course the words he speaks mean something to me. And it is easier for them to mean something when they are formed into sentences. </p>

<p>Bush is very fond of saying that he speaks from the heart, but it never seems true to me. Obama doesn’t say it, and yet I believe that he does. McCain is heaps better than Bush in terms of rhetoric and sense; I just don’t particularly like his politics. At least we won’t have an idiot in charge, whoever gets in.</p>

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<p>Are you an ex-pat?</p>

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<p>Remember “all politics is local” Tip O’Neill. Gordon Smith is merely shopping for votes block by block in Multnomah, Clackamas and Washington Counties. If Senator Smith would only lose these Counties by a small margin he assured of winning in November.</p>

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<p>Barack is a very eloquent speaker. Great sizzle, where’s the substance?..</p>

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<p>Ha ha, yes, he sounds great because he tells each particular audience exactly what he thinks they want to hear – so much of the time:</p>

<p>[McCain</a> defends opposition to GI Bill - CNN.com](<a href=“http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/mccain/index.html]McCain”>McCain defends opposition to GI Bill - CNN.com)</p>

<p>[YouTube</a> - McCain Takes Credit For GI Bill He Opposed](<a href=“http://■■■■■■■.com/43t4yj]YouTube”>http://■■■■■■■.com/43t4yj)</p>

<p>Transcript of the Youtube clip:</p>

<p>McCain: “I’m happy to tell you that we probably agreed to an increase in educational benefits for our veterans that not only gives them that gives them an increase in their educational benefits, but if they stay in for a certain amount of time than they can transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and or children. That’s a very important aspect I think of incentivizing people of staying in the military.”</p>

<p>And because his “town hall meetings” are pre-organized love fests, not because they are real attempts to have the candidate hear real questions from real people:</p>

<p>[Silenced</a> Majority Portal: McCain’s Fake Town Hall Meeting](<a href=“http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2008/06/mccains-fake-to.html]Silenced”>http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2008/06/mccains-fake-to.html)</p>

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<p>^^^ And Obama’s counterproposal to address debating the issues are?..</p>