Barnard’s acceptance rates are lower than NYU’s, but stats of admitted students are about the same.
The fact that NYU is chintzy with FA is not news around here! Its quite well known.
@jym626 Yes, I’m aware that Barnard only accepted 16% this. And while NYU’s less than generous attitude towards FA is well known, each year hundreds of students seemed stunned to find out they were gapped. I guess everyone hopes to get lucky.
Barnard takes 50+% of their class ED, and accepts 40+% of ED applicants. If one really wants to go there apply ED.
@ClarinetDad16 Having worked in admissions, that doesn’t tell you how competitive it is since you don’t know the demographics of the ED group. At my college, the ED students were significantly more qualified than others. However, at most of the highly competitive colleges, applying ED is superficially “easier”.
It’s their way of saying they took 16 or 19% of applicants. They lock in more than half their class, with about 100% yield. Then a large number of students plaster a dozen plus schools with rd applications only to get rejected at most of them. Their selectivity would be far lower if they didn’t game it that way. Just saying.
Barnard’s CDS for this year showed a 19% admission rate (down from the mid 20s), NYU’s was 33% Didn’t look at the yield as don’t think have time, but that would be important, since NYU is notorious for the “admit/deny” approach. . And Clarinetdad’s point is well taken.
There are many people her quite knowledgeable about this process. Preaching to the choir isn’t necessary, IMO.
@jym626 I was referring to what they have just posted on their website and in their press release.
I can see where this is going, so I’ll bow out to those who have the inside knowledge of Barnard’s thinking.
@jym626 How did you get this year’s CDS for Barnard? I thought it hadn’t been published yet? How have they calculated their yield before 1st May?
Come on, people – back to the shoes discussion!
Sometimes, when I tell people where I grew up, they ask me if I ever wore shoes at all as a child.
@scout59 I agree. Apologies.
@scout59 I agree. Apologies. I shouldn’t have responded.
This year, as in this year’s freshman class (2015-16). Obviously the CDS hasnt yet been updated for the admitted class of 2020 http://barnard.edu/sites/default/files/cds_2015-2016_01-27-16_0.pdf I’ve seen the admission stats for this years admitted Vassar class (posted it in the VC forum) - you might look for Barnard admissions tweets or on their blog to see if they have posted acceptance stats. Of course that differs form the enrolled class stats, since that isnt finalized yet.
I did look for Barnard and found the 16% rate on their website and also in the Columbia Spectator.
Although these numbers don’t give the full picture, I tend to agree with @ClarinetDad16 that if you want to go to Barnard and can afford to give up the opportunity to compare financial aid packages, ED is the way to go.
I suspect that Barnard has good reason to accept a large proportion of the class ED. That way, they end up with students who actually want to go to Barnard rather than students on Columbia’s waitlist.
@Marian I agree though according to Columbia’s admissions office, there are actually fewer than 5% cross applicants. At least that is what they say when you ask. (Someone asked how they knew this if they did not share lists with Barnard, and they had no response). They did, however, acknowledge that women have a bit of an unfair advantage in applying to the university in that they have two entry routes.
“My son would say the land of beautiful people was Miami Ohio. He actaully made a comment when we were there that he’d never seen so many good looking people.
When I last toured colleges, back in 2014, “all” the girls were wearing black leggings, no matter what their body size. I believe many wore riding boots with them. I didn’t notice a preference for brand.”
My D was touring Miami and I noticed the legging thing. My D is a dancer and often wears leggings. I told her she would fit in.
I wonder how many there would be if ED didn’t exist. I suspect that many of the students who apply to Barnard ED would have applied to both Barnard and Columbia if ED didn’t exist, and that many might actually prefer Columbia. They apply ED to Barnard because they know their odds are better at Barnard. Kids at this level are not stupid.
Here’s what I really think about the top but not tippy top colleges: they are every bit as great as an individual kid can make the experience. As the saying goes, where do you think tippy top kids go, when there’s no more room at the most selective few? (Or where do you think all the great faculty lands, when there are no job openings at Harvard? Though landing a great teaching job can make college admissions stats pale, in comparison.)
I’m new to CC and despite having one in college and another on the way, I’m still not certain what constitutes an “elite” college. Indeed my D got into some supposedly very competitive colleges with acceptance rates under 10% and yet was rejected by American University, which was supposedly her “safety”. There was a similarly random pattern for her classmates, with a girl widely known to be best in the school WL at ALL the “elite” colleges. God knows how my D was admitted.
To answer the OP’s question I think nearly all the “supposedly elite” schools are terrific schools.
They didn’t gain and maintain their reputations by being lousy. And the most of the college tours tended to confirm the excellence of the schools - but still recognizing that a college tour is a piece of marketing designed by the school to give a positive impression. And I like the not-so-elite schools too.
In general I like to take college tours, both elite and non-elite. I like to find what is good about the place and not judge the school itself too harshly for the quirks and failings of the 19 year old sophomore tour guide.
Last month I was in Padua, Italy on business, and as soon as my business was concluded I immediately walked over to the university to walk around on my own informal tour. Formally founded in 1222, The University of Padua is the 5th oldest college in the entire world - providing higher education for 794 years in a row and counting. That kind of makes Harvard, the oldest college in the New World, with its mere 380 years, look like a beginner. Among the distinguished scholars who have served on the Padua faculty over the centuries are Galileo, Copernicus, Isaac Newton, Vesalius the anatomist, William Harvey who first proved that blood circulates, and Gabriele Falloppio of tube fame. Many buildings on campus are centuries old. But the students - they look just like college kids everywhere, with their ragged jeans, backpacks, and cell phones. It was great. Made me wish I were an Italian high school kid looking for a college to apply to.