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Creating the List of Colleges

GoForthGoForth Registered User Posts: 691 Member
I made a more general earlier thread regarding S preparations for music school for a BM in jazz bass. As he is working on his craft, I started to think about how to form a list of schools that we could begin reviewing. I looked at collegeboard.org and applied only the filter of "jazz studies" for a major. There were 71 results. I will list what the results were below. From this list, we can apply extra criteria to narrow things down. Is there much of a chance that a great place for jazz bass in the USA could have been omitted from this list? Is this a good way to start a list? Actually, I notice that NIU in Dekalb, IL is not in the list, so I already know there is a problem. Is there any other way to assemble a master list?

In a later post, I will ask about ideas for narrowing down the list to suit a particular person, but I would like to start with a good list for narrowing down. By further specifying on collegeboards.org that it be 4-year and co-ed, the list shrank to 65 results. I didn't see any options for "Awesomeness of jazz bass instructor" or "Music networking opportunities".

Thanks.

Aquinas College Grand Rapids, MI
Bard College Annandale-on-Hudson, NY
Berklee College of Music Boston, MA
California State University: Long Beach Long Beach, CA
Central State University Wilberforce, OH
Columbia College Chicago Chicago, IL
Community College of Rhode Island Warwick, RI
Cornish College of the Arts Seattle, WA
East Carolina University Greenville, NC
Five Towns College Dix Hills, NY
Hofstra University Hempstead, NY
Howard University Washington, DC
Johnson State College Johnson, VT
Liberty University Lynchburg, VA
Lincoln College Lincoln, IL
McGill University Montreal
Minnesota State University Moorhead
New York University New York, NY
North Central College Naperville, IL
Oberlin College Oberlin, OH
Palm Beach State College Lake Worth, FL
Rowan University Glassboro, NJ
Shenandoah University Winchester, VA
Terra State Community College Fremont, OH
University of Akron Akron, OH
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Champaign, IL
University of Miami Coral Gables, FL
University of Minnesota: Duluth Duluth, MN
University of North Carolina at Greensboro Greensboro, NC
University of North Texas Denton, TX
University of Rochester Rochester, NY
University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX
University of Toronto Toronto
Webster University Saint Louis, MO
Whitworth University Spokane, WA
Youngstown State University Youngstown, OH
Augustana College Rock Island, IL
Bennington College Bennington, VT
Brigham Young University Provo, UT
Capital University Columbus, OH
City University of New York: City College New York, NY
Columbia University New York, NY
Conservatory of Music of Puerto Rico San Juan, PR
DePaul University Chicago, IL
Eastman School of Music of the University of Rochester Rochester, NY
Grossmont College El Cajon, CA
Hope College Holland, MI
Ithaca College Ithaca, NY
Juilliard School New York, NY
Limestone College Gaffney, SC
Loyola University New Orleans New Orleans, LA
Michigan State University
New England Conservatory of Music Boston, MA
North Carolina Central University Durham, NC
Northwestern University
Ohio State University: Columbus Campus Columbus, OH
Roosevelt University Chicago, IL
Saint Cloud State University St. Cloud, MN
Temple University
Texas State University San Marcos, TX
University of Hartford West Hartford, CT
University of Iowa Iowa City, IA
University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI
University of Missouri: Kansas City Kansas City, MO
University of North Florida Jacksonville, FL
University of Oregon Eugene, OR
University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA
University of the Pacific Stockton, CA
Villa Maria College of Buffalo Buffalo, NY
Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI
William Paterson University of New Jersey Wayne, NJ
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Replies to: Creating the List of Colleges

  • glassharmonicaglassharmonica Registered User Posts: 3,222 Senior Member
    Does your son have a bass teacher? Filtering through collegeboard.org is not an efficient way to come up with a list for music schools; music is not really their bailiwick.
  • GoForthGoForth Registered User Posts: 691 Member
    glassharmonica,

    Thanks. I am interested in learning more about an efficient way to come up with a list. Of course, I have seen folks describe themselves here and receive suggestions. I felt like trying to start with a more zoomed-out perspective if practical.

    Yes, S does have a bass teacher. He actually has two. I will tell you more detail in case you need. One is a masters student in jazz bass who S has worked with for about 1.5 years on electric bass and is just starting double bass. The second teacher, who S is just ready to start with, is a professor of music for classical double bass.
  • MomofbassistMomofbassist Registered User Posts: 698 Member
    How old is your son? I would recommend sending him to a jazz camp this summer so he can meet the faculty and get an idea of how he compares to other bassists his age. Through the camp he will meet teachers and professional musicians and learn about their teaching styles to see what he likes and try out the teachers before going to auditions.
  • jazzpianodadjazzpianodad Registered User Posts: 160 Junior Member
    I understand wanting to start from an expanded list and narrow down from there. And I'm sure there are many schools where one can find a decent jazz program and a good jazz bass instructor. Having said that, based on my son's school search, here are the schools on your list that I think have particularly good jazz programs, plus a handful not on your list - just one person's view fwiw (and just in the order they appear on your list):

    Berklee
    McGill
    NYU
    Oberlin
    Miami/Frost
    North Texas
    Columbia University (NY)
    Eastman (Rochester)
    Ithaca
    Juilliard
    New England Conservatory
    Northwestern (rebuilding but I've heard good things)
    Michigan
    USC/Thornton
    University of the Pacific
    William Paterson

    Not on your list:

    Manhattan School of Music
    New School (NY)
    Princeton
    Indiana/Jacobs
  • momsingsmomsings Registered User Posts: 776 Member
    University of North Texas
  • momsingsmomsings Registered User Posts: 776 Member
    We're partial to Ithaca, as the bass prof there is a perfect fit for my son. He will be starting in the fall. He does classical and jazz. :D
  • jazzpianodadjazzpianodad Registered User Posts: 160 Junior Member
    Agree that UNT and Ithaca have good jazz programs (both are on my "short" list). I did not include Loyola NO on my short list because I just don't know anything about it, but @mommabass's son is a jazz bass player who is a junior there, and @saintfan's son will be starting in the jazz program there in the fall, so I'm sure they can provide some input on that program.
  • saintfansaintfan Registered User Posts: 8,274 Senior Member
    edited February 2015
    I don't know anything about bass, so can't speak to that. What we found, though, is that as we researched and S looked at programs and went to summer camps etc. it started to clarify. Some places started to rise to the top and others fell away. We kept more irons in the fire than S wanted for admission and financial options, but like any other college search one can apply some filters and start to narrow.

    S narrowed based on location, then program offerings, teacher and feel or vibe. That list of filters would be very different for other musical pursuits and for other kids. Your list might narrow based on academic admissions and music admissions. It might narrow based on cost. There are OOS publics that grant in-state tuition but many would be very, very expensive.

    In the end I found that I really had to learn to let things go, to provide information and guidance but then follow his lead with things. There was a very highly regarded school that would have been a great financial safety but he didn't like the program or the feel. It was hard for me to trust him and let it go. He also let a high end "dream school" go late in the game based on a gut feeling. On paper it had been one of his favorites.

    People talk a lot about the numbers of kids who enter as music majors but don't leave as music majors for one reason or another. I feel like finding the right fit might have a lot to do with that. Of course, that too is speculation at this point. Ask me again in 4 years. It could be that my kids are just hothouse flowers, too. :)
  • GoForthGoForth Registered User Posts: 691 Member
    Thank you.

    S is 15 years and 10 months old, sophomore in HS.

    Based originally on internet surveys and rumor, we did select one school to investigate more "deeply", but now that we have focused on that school for a spell, I wish to zoom back out to make the normal list of 6-7 schools to prepare for, in order to get into one of them.

    Once we have the idea that schools on the list are appropriate levels of music instruction and networking, cost will definitely be a major factor, so that we can pay for the BM degree and have money left over for either graduate school or at least a debt-small freedom to put the experience to use without immediate need for a day job that redirects attention away from intended musical pursuits.
  • electricbassmomelectricbassmom Registered User Posts: 218 Junior Member
    My son is currently a student at Hartt at the University of Hartford. He started playing electric bass when he was 12 and picked up the upright bass a couple of years later. Our search was a bit different because he wanted to do music business rather than a performance degree.

    We narrowed our until list to the following schools:

    Hartt
    Berklee
    U mass Amherst (our state school)
    College of St. Rose
    Frost/ U Miami
    William Patterson
    SUNY Purchase

    He did not want a straight up conservatory, and he wanted to stay in the northeast.

    He eliminated William Patterson because the campus was ugly. Maybe not the best reason, but whatever. He also eliminated Purchase because they did not have music business. Purchase would be well worth a look for your son though. Great program, and the head of the Jazz studies dept. Todd Coolman is a bassist, and is a lovely person. Also the tuition is relatively low.

    He applied to the remaining schools on the list, and was accepted at all. Berklee and Frost we eliminated as too expensive. He loved Nat Reeves, the bass professor at Hartt, so he is happy with his ultimate choice.

    I would also strongly recommend that your son do some kind of summer program either this summer or next summer or both if you can swing it. Berklee 5 week, Litchfield, or something like that. When my son did the 5 week, the deadline for scholarship applications was March 1.
  • othermusicdadothermusicdad Registered User Posts: 76 Junior Member
    GoForth - My D is a graduate student at Frost. I will send you a PM.
  • GoForthGoForth Registered User Posts: 691 Member
    Thanks. Speaking of reliable lists, I started to look for more info on tuition costs. A simple google search of "u of miami frost tuition" shows a $43,040 (in & out of state) at petersons.com. I did not see tuition at miami.edu. Is petersons.com the place to go for tuition info?
  • SpiritManagerSpiritManager Registered User Posts: 2,808 Senior Member
    @GoForth - there's not much use in looking at tuition costs at this point. There's no way to know what it will cost. For instance, Frost offers full rides for different instruments each year. Your cost will depend on the talent of your son, and your own financial need. The financial aid part you can determine a bit using the Net Price Calculators - but the merit money your son might be awarded will not be known for sure until April of his senior year, and sometimes even later! The only tuition cost you can count now is for a program which offers no scholarships or merit based funding and no financial aid. Not sure there actually are any of those - except for the for-profit schools like Musicians Institute perhaps?
  • GoForthGoForth Registered User Posts: 691 Member
    @SpiritManager - I think you are right. I was just imagining some column I could add to a spreadsheet. :smile:
  • SpiritManagerSpiritManager Registered User Posts: 2,808 Senior Member
    @GoForth - I realized re-reading your post that you may be asking a basic question on where to find tuition costs? Every university website will have financial information - fees, room & board etc., as well as info on automatic scholarships if there are any, or scholarships one can be considered for - with the caveat that they're rarely all listed. In addition, it is now a federal law that every school must post a Net Price Calculator - you enter your financial info, and information about your child's grades and test scores, and you will be given an approximation of the cost of attendance. This is fine for a purely academic admit - but doesn't work well for music as most admits receive some merit money - the amount of which may vary wildly from person to person, instrument to instrument, and year to year.
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