2010-2011 College Football Thread

<p>I will be a bit surprised if Les Miles takes the job but he’s the fave now. </p>

<p>It just seems more likely now to be Brady Hoke. I know Michigan fans are not so excited about that, but he’s a “Michigan man” and what he did at Ball State and San Diego State was amazing considering how he found those programs when he arrived.</p>

<p>Les will probably go to Michigan after A&M KILLS LSU. Gig 'em Ags</p>

<p>I think Miles has a $2 Million buy out from LSU.</p>

<p>Michigan would certainly pay a $2 million buy out if they want Les and if Les wants to go. </p>

<p>$2 million is hardly anything. Michigan has a $100 million/year athletic dept and virtually all the revenue comes from football. If the football team is winning, it’s worth a lot more than $2 million to them.</p>

<p>In other news, the NFL has apparently discovered Pete Carroll and his “shocking upset” of the Saints.</p>

<p>Not really shocking to fans of college football who know that Pete always was able to get his teams up for big games (see: at USC, 14-2 record vs AP top 10 from 2002-2008)</p>

<p>How often do coaches tell players to keep playing until the whistle blows? Yep</p>

<p>That play may have cost Oregon the championship there. It added 30+ yards to the run. It’s hard to call, wasn’t the Auburn’s player down already? By definition if your wrist or your knee is down, the play is dead. Also it’s hard to blame Oregon’s defense because if you hit him and he’s already down, you will get a penalty. </p>

<p>I think if the game went to overtime, Oregon might have won because all the momentum was going their way and Newton was hurt.</p>

<p>That was a dumb ending.</p>

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<p>Usually it’s hard for the wrist and the palm to be down without the forearm or elbow down as well. You can try at home, place your palm flat on the ground and try to lower your wrist without lowering your elbow. </p>

<p>Since the knee and elbow never touched the ground it was a good call by the ref. Then the replay crew made the right call, there was not indisputable evidence he was down.</p>

<p>It is hard for defensive players to keep going without getting called for the late hit. But if the whistle isn’t blown they should still be in on the play trying to strip the ball. Also late hits aren’t usually called for arm tackles so don’t pile on, just get your hands on the runner.</p>

<p>Of course it’s easy on the internet to say that and difficult on the field to execute, it was a freak play.</p>

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<p>There you go. Good hire for Michigan. Like I said it’s not a glamorous hire like Les Miles would have been. But anyone that can take Ball State to 12 wins and San Diego State to its first bowl win in 27 years can rebuild Michigan.</p>

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<p>If they had blown the whistle and the trailing defender had still knocked him back down it probably would’ve been a personal foul. I think there should be a rule for situations like that that if basically every player stops then the ref should blow the whistle and call the play dead. They may have made the correct ruling as it is, but that play didn’t really have anything to do with deciding which team was better.</p>

<p>I think they should clarify the rules but I think the correct call was made. It happened pretty fast.</p>

<p>Plus, I don’t know that the rules would have called for a unnecessary roughness/late hit unless the Oregon player hit Dyer while he was down:</p>

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<p>From my reading it would be a no-call if an Oregon defender (there were several in the area) contacted and wrapped up Dyer as he got up. </p>

<p>Of course the officials could flag that for unnecessary roughness but that would probably have been a bad call. </p>

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<p>I agree in principle but that may not really be necessary. The ref can throw a flag if the ball carrier acts deceptively (such as intentionally pretend that the play is over then take off for the end zone) which would be unsportsmanlike conduct and 15 yards.</p>

<p>But I don’t think Dyer intentionally hesitated to be deceptive, he was legitimately hesitating and even then only for a second.</p>

<p>It’s a really gray area whether to blow plays like this dead if the runner hesitates unintentionally. You don’t want too many plays blown dead early but you don’t want too many late hit penalties either from teams making sure the runner is down.</p>

<p>Summary: The Oregon players at least should have been stripping at the ball or getting into position to tackle Dyer until the whistle blew. If Oregon #99 had kept going on the play he would have been in position to tackle Dyer and wrapping your arms around him to be sure is probably not a foul.</p>

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<p>You just need the wrist to be down to call the play dead.
You could easily put your wrist down without your arm / elbow down. In fact I’m doing it right now as I type, my wrist is down, arm / elbow do not touch the table, palm up creating an angle where the wrist is the only part that touches the table.</p>

<p>But during that instance, it’s very hard to measure or consider. Either way I think Oregon was robbed in that situation. Could be a personal foul if Oregon players made another hit. Everyone thought the play was over, even Dyer stopped. All of the sudden Dyer was able to gain 30+ yards (and well within field goal range) because the Oregon defense was caught off guard. </p>

<p>A similar case in a Navy game where a player was laying on top of the opposing players and started crawling toward the goal line, the referee called him down even though he was not for his safety. The exact same case happened in the Ohio State - Arkansas BCS game and they called the play dead. So who is right? The official in the Oregon-Auburn game or the officials in the Ohio St - Arkansas game?</p>

<p>I think probably the best way to know is to ask Cam Newton’s dad what he thinks :)</p>