2010 USNEWS Top National Universities - OFFICIAL

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<p>OP, how 'bout the rest of Top 100?</p>

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About 4 years ago Penn was ranked #4 with no ties. “non-Wharton” Penn consists of top academic and professional programs on par with Stanford and MIT. I don’t agree with US News in saying that Penn is as good as Stanford and MIT, but it sure has a decent argument for 4th place in the Ivy League and as the 7th best undergraduate university in the country (as well as a top 10ish overall university when looking at grad programs).</p>

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<p>What an ugly list. Was there seriously no way to differentiate between those 4 schools tied at #4?</p>

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<p>^US News is trying to sell a magazine…so i guess they try to make everyone happy :)</p>

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<p>What a crock. Any list that has budget-slashed commuter schools like UC Davis, Irvine and Santa Barbara (and rising from last year) ahead of PSU, FL, Texas, Tulane and Miami is a joke. This is last year I’m going to look at this worthless trash.</p>

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<p>“About 4 years ago Penn was ranked #4 with no ties. “non-Wharton” Penn consists of top academic and professional programs on par with Stanford and MIT. I don’t agree with US News in saying that Penn is as good as Stanford and MIT, but it sure has a decent argument for 4th place in the Ivy League and as the 7th best undergraduate university in the country (as well as a top 10ish overall university when looking at grad programs).”</p>

<p>So says the Penn student…</p>

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<p>this is ridiculous, Michigan at 27, below USC. ***.</p>

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<p>^ PA scores is the better criteria. Yes, the U.S. News is becoming more of a joke.</p>

<p>PA Scores: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063120173-post26.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063120173-post26.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“About 4 years ago Penn was ranked #4 with no ties. “non-Wharton” Penn consists of top academic and professional programs on par with Stanford and MIT. I don’t agree with US News in saying that Penn is as good as Stanford and MIT, but it sure has a decent argument for 4th place in the Ivy League and as the 7th best undergraduate university in the country (as well as a top 10ish overall university when looking at grad programs).”</p>

<p>I never doubted that the rest of UPenn was a good school. I just could never agree, no matter what USNews tells me, that the rest of UPenn is on par with Stanford or MIT. And I definitely do not think it deserves 4th overall (or 7th I guess) save for Wharton. But again, that’s my personal opinion–so I guess I was wrong.</p>

<p>But all those tied at #4 seem ridiculous to me… They might just group the top 8 together. It’s like they’re trying to please so many people…</p>

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<p>That’s one ****ED UP Ranking</p>

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<p>If these were my rankings, Michigan’s PA score should be tied with Berkeley at 4.7. Northwestern’s PA score should be 4.5. ;)</p>

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<p>*Any list that has budget-slashed commuter schools like UC Davis, Irvine and Santa Barbara *</p>

<p>Haha, Davis and Santa Barbara commuter schools? That’s hilarious :smiley: Less than 4% of UCSB students come from Santa Barbara County which means means that 96% of students’ home towns are at least an hour away from the school.</p>

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<p>Nesh1080, can you please post a complete list of all the tier one liberal arts colleges?</p>

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<p>They just ran out of ideas; it’s just a lame attempt to make it look fresh and interesting.</p>

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<p>Uh, folks–this is actually the 4th time in 8 years that US News has ranked Penn at #4, either tied with or ahead of Stanford, MIT, and/or CalTech:</p>

<p>[U.S&lt;/a&gt;. News Rankings Through the Years](<a href=“http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:DjJZAS7ZGZcJ:chronicle.com/stats/usnews/index.php%3Fcategory%3DUniversities+chronicle.com/stats/usnews/index.php%3Fcategory%3DUniversities&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]U.S”>http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:DjJZAS7ZGZcJ:chronicle.com/stats/usnews/index.php%3Fcategory%3DUniversities+chronicle.com/stats/usnews/index.php%3Fcategory%3DUniversities&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)</p>

<p>It ain’t exactly news anymore. :)</p>

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I’d agree that Penn isn’t quite on par with Stanford and MIT at the undergrad level. However, I don’t think I’m overly biased when I say that it has a legit argument for #7. Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, and Northwestern are all contenders in my opinion for #7. You also have to keep in mind, you need to consider Wharton as part of Penn and not a separate entity. It’s been part of the school for nearly 130 years. No one else tries to think about Stanford’s strength at the undergrad level sans engineering program.</p>

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<p>watch usc overtake berkeley next year. usc is the new wustl</p>

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<p>Will you Penn students give it a rest already? We know you’re overrated; you know you’re overrated. What’s there to debate?</p>

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<p>"I’d agree that Penn isn’t quite on par with Stanford and MIT at the undergrad level. However, I don’t think I’m overly biased when I say that it has a legit argument for #7. Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, and Northwestern are all contenders in my opinion for #7. You also have to keep in mind, you need to consider Wharton as part of Penn and not a separate entity. It’s been part of the school for nearly 130 years. No one else tries to think about Stanford’s strength at the undergrad level sans engineering program. "</p>

<p>What I’m saying is that the reputation of Wharton seems to boost the rest too much, imo.</p>

<p>And you’re dead-wrong in thinking of Stanford in terms of just engineering. Stanford has a phenomenal math program, that I know. And I’m sure the rest could vouch for the humanities side. They have at least top 10 programs in almost all disciplines. (Hence my opinion on Penn vs. Stanford)</p>

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<p>Stanford is ranked in the top-10, if not top-5, in just about every discipline, not just engineering.</p>