<p>How can Stanford be 4th? It should be tied at 3rd with Yale at least</p>
<p>^east coast/ivy league bias lol</p>
<p>Does anyone have new engineering rankings? ;)</p>
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meh, I don’t think it’s an east coast bias. Stanford’s subjective PA score is highest at 4.9 - tied with Harvard, Princeton and MIT. </p>
<p>It’s pulled “down” by other factors…perhaps financial/faculty resource ratings…which, IMO, are thumb in the sky estimates.</p>
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<p>I never said Stanford only had an engineering program. I was trying to make a similar parallell by saying no one separates out Stanford’s best undergraduate program when discussion these rankings. Saying that Penn doesn’t have top programs outside of Wharton is basically wrong in the same way that Stanford has more than just engineering. </p>
<p>I don’t know how in the US News rankings Wharton can boost Penn’s ranking too much. It can’t possibly affect PA, retention, faculty resources, and financial resources too much when it’s only 20% of undergrads and all of the other schools and departments have to factor in. It probably gives a slight boost in terms of selectivity, but Penn also takes a hit with the nursing school, and 20% of the class can’t significantly bring up the SAT scores and high school rank when you remember that Wharton has a fair number of the athletes and developmental admits at Penn.</p>
<p>Yeah definitely east coast/ivy league bias since Stanford is relativly new compared to the other schools. I think Stanford is in fact the most well-rounded school in the top 5. They’re basically good at everything from engineering, hard sciences to humaninities</p>
<p>^ Peer assessment is the only category rating in USNews methodology that takes into consideration the whole well-rounded, top 5 program argument.</p>
<p>Uh oh, JHU ahead of Cornell makes me :(.</p>
<p>This argument could go on forever, but what I–and the people who agree with me–are saying that Penn isn’t as well-rounded as Stanford is.</p>
<p>And your comparison actually doesn’t work, because all Stanford admission is done together while the UPenn ones are done–to my knowledge–according to the actual college you applied to. Maybe my point isn’t clear, but there’s no point in continuing anyway. We’d have to agree to disagree. =) After all, this is all done by the USNews methodology, which you could agree with or not.</p>
<p>^Penn admission is done by school. However, admission statistics are given out as a whole with Wharotn, CAS, SEAS, and Nursing thrown into one pot.</p>
<p>We’ll have to disagree. I do agree that Stanford is a better school and more well rounded than Penn. I just like to make it a point that my school is more than just one program and that it has somewhat earned its spot (if not #4, at least in the top 10).</p>
<p>I guess the other “real” rankings were wrong.</p>
<p>I guess Barnes & Noble can’t read a calendar. Universities are supposedly notified of the rankings one day beforehand, as a courtesy, but it’s some courtesy if bookstores elect to make the magazine public one day early.</p>
<p>Rankings are only important for rankings obsessed people. Period. Its a beauty contest. And for years I have wondered if schools pay USNews for improved rankings with advertising or some other back door method. I dunno.</p>
<p>We will have a week or so of snotty condescending types hooting about their lofty rankings, and petty jealousies from those who were lucky enough to be in the top50 but feel somehow slighted…and angst, frustrations and egg throwing contests for the rest…then it will all die down and go away for another year.</p>
<p>Petty credentialists will dissect the minutiae in the details and offer a perfectly scientific explanation, which of course is nonsense. Its a beauty contest, that is all.</p>
<p>Congrats to the winners, better luck next time to the rest. And for students and parents: DO NOT PICK YOUR COLLEGE BASED UPON THESE SILLY RANKINGS. Pick your college because its the best fit for YOU.</p>
<p>btw, my school remained the same: within top 75 (by a considerable margin) but not quite yet in the top 50. Do I care? Of course…its school pride. But I am much happier knowing what they are doing to improve facilities, the MARKED improvement in the stats of incoming freshmen the last 5 years or so (truly remarkable), and the huge increase in applications. What USNWR does with that information is really unimportant.</p>
<p>rabble rabble penn sucks, DOOK rules, Stanford and UF rock my sox, rabble rabble</p>
<p>I think Penn is as well-rounded as Stanford, but in an east coast v. west coast way. </p>
<p>I have more of an issue with the tie between Rice, Vandy and Emory.</p>
<p>“I think Penn is as well-rounded as Stanford, but in an east coast v. west coast way.”</p>
<p>So says the Penn mommy…</p>
<p>happymedstudent- What year was it that you were rejected from Penn? Not just a Penn mommy, but also a Philadelphia native and someone from a family of Penn grads who has done a lot of law/business work with Penn grads. It’s a gritty place, and one which I frequently criticize, but it deserves the ranking. Glad the kid’s degree might be worth something and he might get a job! 
(I am not a rankings fan)</p>
<p>These really are silly rankings, by a company that wants to sell a magazine every year. I hope no one chooses schools based on them.</p>
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<p>Why do you think I’d even apply to Penn? Personally, I’m not too fond of the lesser ivies, though I did apply to Brown and Columbia. Got into both, but enrolled elsewhere. </p>
<p>Just don’t think Penn is nearly as good as Stanford, MIT, Caltech, etc., that’s all. Most objective (non-Penn) observers would definitely agree with me. </p>
<p>IMHO, Penn isn’t even as prestigious and selective as Brown, Columbia and Dartmouth. So its #4 ranking is sort of a joke to me.</p>
<p>And for someone who’s not a fan of rankings, you sure have to lot to say about the subject.</p>