2016 and beyond wedding moms and dads (Part 1)

“I see Mr. Rebeccar as the mature one here”

I agree with @busyparent. As the couple has been together 6-7 years already, it should be apparent to her that family/culture are important to the fiance and that’s not a bad thing and actually an attractive trait to many in a future spouse/parent to one’s future children. Bottom line is weddings a a celebration of family and friends, otherwise one would elope. The fiance is trying to appease and navigate the wishes of all those he loves and honors and find a workable compromise. It sounds like he is financially successful and can afford to help out. With a couple with 2 good salaries, I think there is nothing wrong with contributing to their wedding costs.

I think that it is hard for those of us not raised in a “big wedding” culture to understand it. There are many traditions in all cultures that don’t “make sense” when viewed objectively but that doesn’t make them wrong, just different. I do think it is wrong for the fiance’s parents not to assume some of the costs but fiance is willing to do so on his family’s behalf.

Dos, for me, it’s their demands and the dissing. They want what they want and just as they want it. They didn’t retreat in disappointment. They aren’t contributing. For me, that shifts the perception. Who tells the other family their venue choice’s food is disgusting? Or that the groom is fibbing? These are things they have done.

Rebecca, we’re just hashing this out. What you decide, I’m sure we’ll stand behind you.

I can’t get past the fact that the dad went to the venue site and talked to the management and the chef and then reluctantly “approved” of the venue. But apparently he didn’t clear it with his wife because then she tried to get the MOB see that their country club wasn’t right at all and that the groom wasn’t happy but appeasing the bride and her family.

These are people who say they can’t “spare a dime” for the wedding.

Personally I am colored by my D’s former relationship and his family. Everything was about them. Nothing was about my D and definitely nothing was about my family. I get there are lots of relatives. But many of us are curtailing what we want. It’s about compromise

Ya, I thought R’s parents should have said we have a $50,000 budget (give or take). We have to stay within that limit. With your 250 guests, and our 50, that means we have to find a venue that costs $… Per person. If you can help find such a venue, great. Otherwise, don’t make us feel worse about our budget. Especially as you have nothing to share, money wise. Can you make the Cake? The goody bags? The invitations?

I got pulled in and I don’t even have a kid getting married.

My ILs were difficult, especially MIL, and we had different cultures to juggle. We ended up having the wedding where I wanted, paid for by my folks, who are modest folks, then a second party where ILs wanted, paid for by them (I know this is a distinction between me and Reb) that was large and ostentatious and they took out a loan to pay for it. DK if the two party solution would work for you, Reb.

3323 Rebecca wrote:

I don’t know if his parents told Rebecca they had reservations about her, or her fiance did. Either way, it bothers me a lot. And then there was a particular incident that soured things right after they got engaged.

They told her how wonderful Persian weddings are and got her onboard, and then said they couldn’t afford to help at all, even though it is the groom’s family’s resposibility in that culture. But they expected her parents to do so. And they never expressed any gratitude for her parents willingness to do so.

I guess their bluff was called and now they can afford to contribute some. Or else, they just say they will and won’t ever come through with the funds. Either way - troubling to me.

Her parents were intending to give a fancy wedding so “the kids” could save their funds. Maybe for a house? Maybe for student loans? If they had known the groom was going to spend his savings, maybe they would have budgeted differently. At least they would have had the option to think about how they wanted to spend their money.

Rebecca has been trying to please his parents. Her parents have been trying to accomodate them. They come across as very unpleasant and rude and ungrateful people to me.

I absolutely understand the pressures of big time wedding culture, but WASP not Jewish. That is the reason for the call out to Bookworm. A wedding in the study of the Rabbi seemed a perfect solution to me. Also, I’ve seen at least half a dozen cultural intermarriages the last decade, and in my experience families bend over backward trying to accomodate each other. Their focus is on supporting their offspring. There is a whole lot of tonge biting.

Thinking that this entire group should meet with—! FSIL’s Rabbi. All of them for a sit down.
Him as that is who FSIL,s parents will respect. And they agree to listen and follow what he has to say.

I’ve been disappointed in Several teaching/observant rabbis in my life, but I have met a few wonderful ones. I have tried to put myself into the shoes of my favorite, which is how I thought of the rabbis study. Then each family is free to host a party in their own tradition. R could then go,to the CC with her family and happily party. The in-laws could or could not do their own party ( probably not), and would offer the same criticism as if they were guests at the CC. I just can’t fathom spending a lot of $ for a family that is so critical, prior to the event. That. Is a lose lose situation. No rational person would play this game.

Back to weddings…and planning.

I had. Nice chat with the MOG this afternoon. We are meeting for lunch, and to see the venue, and hotel where rooms are reserved in August.

We had a nice chat. I filled her in on what we know,…but was careful not to tell things DD might want to share herself.

I thought, way back many pages on this thread, that one of the restrictions on Rebeccar’s venue was the number of guests it would allow, that 250 was max, and not 350 or 450, no matter who was paying for them?

One compromise would be to find a cheaper venue. Too bad if every Jewish girl on Long Island pays $120/plate for her wedding. If your father’s budget is $50k and you need to have 350 at your wedding, find a place that can do it for that price. If you don’t want to, then don’t, but if you do want to make your future inlaws happy, it can be done.

Make sure the rabbis know that when (if) you have the counseling talk, that because you are combing traditions, your parents have set a budget and you have to live with it (your traditions). If the tradition for the big Persian wedding is for the groom’s family to pay, let them! Tell them they can choose the venue, choose the size, choose anything they want to pay for.

You will never see ‘cover your plate’ gifts from families where 5 are coming. Do you think they are going to give you $500? I do not.

“You will never see ‘cover your plate’ gifts from families where 5 are coming. Do you think they are going to give you $500? I do not.”

It’s entirely possible actually, although I don’t know the custom with Persian weddings. One of my siblings married into a large family where in their culture it was tradition to give cash gifts for weddings. This was back in the late 80s and many of the checks were for $500+ back then.

I agree with Thumper1. My daughter has a long engagement (2 years). But I like to read what everyone is doing. Hopefully I can glean some good ideas and learn what to do about problems that are bound to happen.

Hi! Wow, I did not expect to return to pages of discussion about this, but again, am very grateful (also slightly regretting using my real name and so many details, haha, hope no one ever tracks me down here but if they do, please realize I’m just trying to get clarity on how to proceed and mean no ill will).

Having 24 hours to think about all that’s happened (thanks to whoever pointed out I’m off the grid for shabbat), the thing that bothers me the most is his mother’s insistence that he’s only choosing my venue to make me happy. I don’t believe her, but even if it was true, why would she tell me that? If my fiance had made the decision to pretend to love the country club to make me happy, why on earth would she ruin that by revealing that he actually hated it? I think it just shows her priorities are not the 2 of us.

My parents are exasperated with all this and we agree to limit communication. Like I said, my mom had called his mom as a courtesy before we put a deposit on the venue, but instead of her just saying “well, we obviously preferred PersianVenue but we understand the kids like this one,” it was combative all the way. When my mom mentioned we’d save money because the chuppah is outdoors surrounded by trees and flowers and wouldn’t need to be decorated like their venue would, his mom said, “oh, really, you’re not going to buy flowers to decorate it?” You can’t say a single sentence without getting a criticism.

Marian is correct that Persians truly see this as intermarriage. He is certainly on the more modern side of modern orthodox but like doschicos surmised, the most important thing to him is honoring his large family and having close relationships with grandparents/uncles/etc. For this reason, I’ve accepted that the guest list will be skewed on his side and that we’ll put in our own savings for his family. Re: the 250 number, that’s what my parents said they can pay for. The venue fits 350 so he and/or his parents can choose to cover up to 100 more. And “cover your plate” is a real concept in Persian culture. I’m not naive enough to think we’ll simply make it all back in gifts, but if he puts in let’s say $10k, I’m certainly prepared to get a good chunk back. Not that we’d need it to stay afloat, but it’s not exactly a total $10k loss. I know that my parents usually give $400-500 when the four of us go to an affair so it’s not unheard of in this area.

His parents definitely didn’t take our relationship seriously in the beginning but after a few years they accepted it was going somewhere. He has stood up to them in the past but admits he could’ve done a better job. For example, a week after the incident after we got engaged, his mom wanted to go shopping with me. I wanted to tell her that I still needed time after what she did, but he thought it’d be best if I didn’t tell her the reason for not going so as not to open the wound more (ex. just tell her I was busy with work).

Again, I’m so sorry to have hijacked this thread, I really didn’t expect everyone to offer so much support, but I definitely appreciate it. I Skyped with him tonight and went over a lot of these concerns. He agrees that we’re going to be a team and pointed to the fact that we’re not doing his parents preferred venue as proof that we have the ability to say no to them. His career, too, is something his parents loudly disapprove of but he loves. He says he will always want and value their input but is upset that I would imply he’s not his own person. In the past, he’s used the phrase “us versus the problem” and as long as we can stick to that, I think we’ll be okay. But he did agree that counseling with a rabbi is a good idea.

@rebeccar, I don’t mean to be negative but I’ve seen cash gifts being pocketed by the in-laws and not given to the married couple if they were given by their side of the family. It was explained that it was their custom because they had partly paid for their own guests.Wish you the best of luck!

If he is agreeing to seeing a Rabbi set it up immediately. When someone is open then it is important to act.

I don’t come from a monetary wedding gift culture, so I’m wondering about the logistics of this, and how likely it is that monetary gifts would end up in the hands of the ILs instead of the bride and groom.

I know from Italian friends back in the day that people usually brought an envelope to the reception, often with cash, and the bride had a bag into which they put it.

How does this work at traditional Jewish weddings, and more specifically at Persian Jewish weddings? I’ve been to one of the former, and I don’t recall any conspicuous handing over of envelopes. (We had sent our gift in advance.) Not did anything like that happen at the two mixed marriages I’ve been to, in both cases as a bridesmaid. Do people give the money directly to the B&G, or would they be likely to hand it to the FOG?

An option is a large-ish, decorated (and locked) box, with a slot for the envelopes.

I like the idea of a decorated locked box for monetary gifts that may be brought to the reception. Make sure that only the bride and groom have the key. (This is assuming that it’s typical for cash & checks to be brought to the reception.)

I like Lookingforwards suggestion. I have a suspicion that the ILs will receive many envelopes from their side of family. Then how are the newlyweds to write TU’s? This could easily turn into another battle.

I felt like an outlier. My son got one concrete gift at his Bar Mitzvah, the first 3 HP books. People didn’t give me envelopes, but my parents did. What was strange is that I never gave money. One boy asked for and received stock, 2 others got framed certificates of a star named for them, a few got a framed and signed poster of their favorite athlete, 2 gals got bracelets, another boy a watch, and so on. An athletic bag, a set of Tolkien books, ???

In terms of R’s situation, if her Future groom doesn’t like the CC setting, then they could find something smaller and lovely. Her parents could set a limited.number of guests, and tell the ILs they can host a party for their extended family.

I plan to host a local party for son, as my friends won’t travel for a wedding.

Well, the box was what the venue supplied at my godson’s recent wedding. Large enough not to be toted off. If you google, they show some that are pretty birdcages.