Thank you so much!
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@Novice dad. And other experienced members, can you please provide your views on the Sophie Davis CUNY School of Medicine 7 year BS/MD program; its pros and cons? Thank you so much!
One year less time at South Carolina, and no MCAT?
Do you have a strong preference for Stony Brook? If soâŠwhat is it?
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Higher rank and better matching to competitive specialties.
@WayOutWestMom can verify thisâŠbut matching to competitive specialties will be on YOU, not the name of your undergrad or medical school or their ranking. Your Step 1 and Step 2 scores, your shelf exams, your med school grades, whether you are in the honor society, and your letters of reference.
These will contribute to your residency match. Not the name or rank of your undergrad schoolâŠor medical school.
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Ortho is a very competitive field where more than 25-35% of applicants fail to match.
Per NRMP data, (see this interactive database: At-A-Glance Program Director Survey | NRMP) the #1 factor for matching to ortho is a studentâs STEP exam scores. Since Step 1 is now P/F, that means your STEP 2 is now VERY important with most program having minimum scores for interview consideration.
The next most important item is ortho LORs from faculty members at your clinical rotation sites.
#3 is your grade in your ortho and related rotations during your MS3-4 years. (That would ortho sub-I, gen surgery, plus often any other gen surg sub-I you do.)
Other factors would be your ethics and professionalism (something thatâs discussed in your MSPE), class rank (AOA, Gold Humanism, and top quintile class rank are important for ortho), and clerkship grades.
Note thereâs no mention of what med school you attended.
Your STEP score is something thatâs completely within your control. As are your pre-clinical and clinical grades AND your class rank. Finding an ortho mentor to help you navigate the ortho matching process is also something within your control.
So most of the important factors in ortho matching are within your control. (Though none of these things will guarantee youâll match into ortho or other competitive specialties.)
If youâre serious about ortho, I would look at both programs to see which have an in-house orthopedics residency program at their home hospital. This will insure you have a chance do to ortho sub-I and get to know ortho faculty for an ortho LOR. It also increases your chances of being able to do orthopedics related research-- which is a strong consideration if you want to match at an academic ortho program. ( vs. a community hospital based ortho program)
Additionally, itâs up to you, the student, to apply to do additional away clinical rotations in ortho at those residency programs you are most interested in joining. Be aware that at most programs, just getting an away slot is highly competitive. Youâll need high grades and a strong recommendation from your home surgery program. (And ortho dept if your school has one.)
Thank you so much thumper 1 and Wayoutwestmom! I very much appreciate your thoughts. I completely agree with both of you that the things I personally do will be the most important factors in getting accepted to ortho residency, just like getting into a BS/MD program. I did review both schools thoroughly and Stony Brook definitely comes out on top in terms of in-house residency, ortho research, mentorship, etcâŠPlease let me know if you feel otherwise, but beyond those things that I can do for myself, Stony Brook gives me the best chance for doing ortho. Thanks again!
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Sounds like youâve made your choice.
wishing you success in your medical journey.
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If anyone is familiar with the Sophie Davis/CUNY School of Medicine 7-Year BS/MD Program, I would be very grateful for your insights on its pros and cons. Your perspective would mean a lotâthank you in advance!
some aspects of Sophie Davis/ CUNY Med:
- Sophie Davis is a commuter school - most students commute, and as a result, you may not get the âuniversityâ experience.
- 95+% of students live in NYC - there is no geographic diversity
- No MCAT
- 7-year program
- Location is in Harlem
- IT is focused on primary care.
What options are you comparing?
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Thank you for your input. It is the only BS/MD option, but have some good pre-med options. Thanks again
Hello parents/students, my daughter got selected for Rutgers-NJSM 7 years program. I checked, their 1st day is September 2. I also heard that students move-in date is generally 2 weeks before the 1st day of the college. By any chance, does anybody know the move-in date based on past years years experience?
Call Rutgers-Newark and ask them.
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It says semester begins September 2nd. I would expect move in before that.
Most schools have published calendars for 2-3 years at a time for anyone else wondering about their school.
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my daughter got waitlisted at CUNY bs/md? is there realistic odds or should we commit elsewhere? In state.
If you are waitlisted, the decision will come after May 1.
You need to commit to some undergrad school unless your daughter is planning to take a gap year.
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decision comes may 15. do you know the percentage or realistic odds of getting of WL? thanks
For practical purposes, you have to assume your odds are zero and commit to some other program. Letâs call that other program as Program B
IF you get off the waitlist, you can join the program and withdraw from the other program B.
You will lose the deposit you paid to Program B.
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Thanks much. In general do BSMD overadmit their intial acceptance list or fill it just accordingly. of course in generall im speaking
The programs have specific number of seats and they would not accept more. The waitlist acceptance is resulting from students who drop off at deadline. There have been some programs who left alone and didnt usually try to top off in which case they may have accepted a few more upfront or leaving the openings for regular MD.