<p>Geez Mr Payne. Nobody here is “attacking” white people, so you don’t have to be so defensive. You need to lose this “us vs. them” mentality that oozes from your posts. There’s a difference between white people and racist people, a big one. But the evidence that a significant portion of black voters believe that blacks are better suited to run the country is simply not their, while the evidence that a decent sized proportion of white voters believe that blacks as a race are incompetent to run the country is shown in the polls. </p>
<p>Just earlier today I was listening to a kid give a presentation and i had to evaluate him. A summary of his thesis: “black people need to stop acting gangster if they want US to stop looking down on THEM”. </p>
<p>Was this kid knowingly racist? no. Was he actually racist, yeah kinda. And those are the kinds of mentalities that manifest themselves at the polls.</p>
<p>I think we are all in agreement that race is “somehow” a factor for the split. This is not the issue and never has been. I, for one, reject the claim that blacks are being as racist as whites are being (and have been) when they choose to support Obama. That claim is just not supported by any real fact quantitative or historical.</p>
<p>You express quite eloquently my exact fears concerning Obama. You are quite right, I suspect, that Obama “does not have the goods”. And even if he did have the goods, he is not capable of overcoming the racism that would surely sink his Presidency—should he even, by some miracle be elected. He would indeed have to be one of the greatest leaders in the history of the world to overcome the obstacle of his race and America’s racism. Being President is hard enough without racism compounding the usual venom motivating one’s political enemies. You are without-a-doubt right that Obama’s race would be seized upon in order to explain and grossly exaggerate any mistakes or shortcomings in his presidency. Never mind that the Bush Administration has left any future administration with a formidable mess to overcome. I’d just as soon that the first black president not be the one to undertake the nearly impossible task of cleaning up after the current administration. I wouldn’t even wish such misfortune upon the first female president (do you hear that, Hillary?!), as she surly would face many of the same perils. Being both black and female, I surly have a dog in this hunt, and I’m not liking the odds. I’m not able to shake this sense of dread that I feel…:(</p>
Maybe so, I haven’t seen compelling data either way. The fact of the matter is that in elections where blacks are the majority of the electorate they choose blacks. This is primarily observed in mayoral races. It is highly atypical for a non-black to win in cities which are 60%+ black.</p>
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That’s just the truth. Many whites hate the gangster culture of inner city urban youth and the rest just get stereotyped because of it.</p>
<p>Although I would argue this is hating the culture. Not “genetics”.</p>
<p>Drosselmeirer, you continue make the most abraisve comments on this forum. Try being more respectful to other posters and your comments might be better appreciated.</p>
<p>If acting gangster means what I think it means, no one should be doing it. Are you saying because black people may be acting gangster, no one can questions that behavior?</p>
<p>I should have been clearer, Mr. Payne. My question was actually directed at Tyler09 because I think I am closer to your opinion than his, but I not sure what Tyler09 meant.</p>
<p>I do not think even Colin Powell could have ever been elected for the reason that, as one study demonstrated, white Republicans are 25% more likely on average to switch parties and vote Democrat when the republican candidate is black. And white Democrats are 38% less likely to vote for their candidate if he is black.</p>
<p>My view here is not that whites are somehow inherently more evil than blacks. Surely, were blacks in the same general position as whites they would act similarly. However, I do not think the situation in the mayoral elections warrants comparisons to the presidential elections. Blacks in Detroit are not claiming to like the white guy, but then stealthily voting black purely on race. The black guy running in Detroit almost always speaks to the constituency there in ways that few whites can and do. He almost always speaks to their issues, and he may even do something about them once in a while. It is just a different situation. Were a white to come along to do likewise, it is certainly possible he will get the chance to lead. Indeed, history has shown this.</p>
<p>Ive shown respect to all posters. But when I see the claim that a white guy is being racist simply because he helps a black guy because of some pressure that is unique to blacks, I cannot help but state the facts, to wit, the claim is pure hogheaded stupidity. It is an attempt to excoriate generosity as racist simply to defend the indefensible. Any comment that comes from that motivation deserves far worse than I have said here.</p>
<p>He explicitly stated that “Us” (white people) would stop looking down upon “them” (black people) if rappers and others stopped perpetuating “gangster culture”. </p>
<p>On the first front, the idea that he as a white person looks down upon ANY race of people as inferior is racist in every sense of the idea. </p>
<p>On the second front, the notion that somehow rappers and gangbangers are allowed to represent an entire race of people, is absurd, and then to say that it is not the fault of the people stereotyping, but the rappers and their music is racist. It comes from the idea that black people need to be “on their best behavior” to work their way up the racial ladder. </p>
<p>Building on that the fact that red necks or drug-abusing rockstars are not held to those standards of representing a race and then to say that people are justified in stereotyping all black people as thugs, is pure ignorance.</p>
<p>I’m thoroughly disappointed by your inability to see that, i hope you simply did not understand…</p>
<p>an effective point, however the reason why that scenario doesn’t apply is because “whites” are not a voting bloc, they are not a minority, and have very few similarities between them as a whole. As the majority, American culture by default is “white culture”. So any politician living in America would have a grasp and be able to make a connection on issues effecting whites. However, i would see your point as it applies to the working class, or the elite , or women, ect. </p>
<p>I must say however, it appears as if you are LOOKING to be offended. As if you are attempting to force a double standard to exist.</p>
Whites are no more of a voting bloc than blacks. The analogy between mayoral elections and presidential elections still stands. And are you saying that whites don’t understand black culture? Do blacks understand white culture? It seems you are disqualifying Obama simply based on that.</p>
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I have no idea what you are saying. Repackage & rephrase.</p>