<p>That is hilarious, hyperJulie!</p>
<p>Wow, turned into a pretty good song.</p>
<p>Okay, now I feel terrible for enjoying the song and Mr. Ramsey after all those young women have been through.</p>
<p>Seahorse it turns out the naked women in the yard call the witnesses phoned their mother and she never called the police. One of the witnesses reported the original call went to the police. It did not.</p>
<p>CNN just played the audio of the cops’ arrival at the house. It’s obvious that the dispatch operator didn’t believe Amanda. Thank God she sent a cop car anyway. Next thing you hear is a cop telling her to get back up because “This might be for real.” </p>
<p>The other two women were not chained up but were so afraid of Ariel Castro that they didn’t try to follow Amanda out of the house. The cops then go into the house and say “We’ve found them.” They then come back and say “hey, there’s another woman here, Michelle Knight. Can you look her up in the database.” </p>
<p>Cops said at press conference that the 3 women say they were never allowed out into the yard during the 10 years. If that’s true…so much for the reports of women in the back yard.</p>
<p>jonri- I have a feeling that Mr Ramsey would have protected Amanda Berry even if the police did not come right away.</p>
<p>I think you’re probably right–but the other 2 women weren’t willing to come out until the cops were there.</p>
<p>That is true.</p>
<p>I think we’re missing the obvious: we don’t have to argue about whether the people saw the women or not, and whether they called the police or not. We have living victims and they can tell us what happened. All we have to do is wait until the facts come out.</p>
<p>I also google-earthed the address, and I’m a little leary of both the people who say they saw things in the house, and of criticism of the people in the neighborhood who supposedly should have realized something was going down. The house only has 2 neighbors. Behind the house is what looks like a commercial parking lot. A lot of trees on the sides. That’s a pretty small number of people who would even have the physical ability to see the backyard. </p>
<p>Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe that if you saw a neighbor going into his house with an armload of McDonald’s hamburgers, you would lunge for the phone to call the police? Or would you perhaps just think he had some buddies over to watch a game?</p>
<p>I am just not comfortable with such a rush to judgment against the neighbors or the police. We don’t know enough to put anyone’s head on the block.</p>
<p>hayden- I agree. The police should undertake a complete review of everything involved in the investigation and learn from what they see in hindsight.</p>
<p>I just think it is unfair to second guess at this point.</p>
<p>^ What Hayden said.</p>
<p>Now they are saying there is no evidence against the other two brothers.</p>
<p>I heard they are trying to tie the brothers to the inside of the home. If they can not do that and the young women do not testify that the brothers saw them there may not be a case.</p>
<p>Being the brother of an evil man is not a crime.</p>
<p>I remember hearing someone say that a guy named “Cocoa” visited the house several times on his bicycle. Do we know who that is?</p>
<p>Visited may not mean went inside. I read that Castro’s son was over the house 2 weeks ago but never went inside.</p>
<p>It is clear that these women are from poor families. Michelle Knight seems not to have a large, loving family, as the other two women do. I hope that they are able to get the help they need to recover. Elizabeth Smart came out of her ordeal strong and confident. I’m sure this took a great deal of professional help, and she was in captivity for less than a year. </p>
<p>I hope someone sets up a fund to help these women. I would be happy to contribute. The information coming out now about how they were abused is nauseating.</p>
<p>I’m as curious as anyone about this case, but I really wish the media would back off and give the women and their families some space and privacy. They have been through a lot and it will take time to heal. Having a helicopter overhead to try to get a photo of Amanda Berry going into her sister house is way over the top, IMO.</p>
<p>I met someone who was tangentially involved in a rather lurid news story. He said that for about two weeks, “Good Morning America” called his home every day at about 6:15 in the morning. They wanted him on the show. He said no. They kept calling until the story wasn’t in the news any more. He said he had reporters following him to work and waiting outside when he finished work. He made it clear that he would not talk and they really tried to spin it into “he must have something to hide.” According to him, the event as it was reported in the press and the event that actually happened were poles apart.</p>
<p>I wish the press would stop acting like vultures.</p>
<p>I agree, jonri. I’m happy that there were people cheering around the hospital, and when the women arrived at home, because they must have felt very alone while they were imprisoned. I think the press should confine themselves to covering the police investigation. I don’t particularly want to see any photos of the women as they re-integrate into society! And I wish they wouldn’t publish photos of the little girl at all.</p>
<p>They just said on CNN, one girl was forced to have 5 miscarriages and then forced to deliver Amanda’s baby as her “midwife”. There just can’t be enough emotional help for these women and enough punishment for what the men did to them.
I pray for all the women still held somewhere against their will, such heartbreak for all involved. </p>
<p>Its sad too that the result of this might just be a bad Lifetime movie or Law and Order SVU episode.</p>
<p>One of the news channels has a news feed saying perv ariel’s daughter was close to the DeJesus victim. Pretty amazing.</p>
<p>Michelle Knight is the one who had the miscarriages. Her story is particularly sad. She was bullied in school, at 4’ 7’’, and sexually assaulted at age 17. That resulted in a pregnancy. She was living with her mom when, because of mom’s boyfriend’s abuse, she lost custody of her child. Apparently, she disappeared the day before (or after, can’t remember which) a court hearing regarding her child’s custody. </p>
<p>So, this woman, tragically, was raped, had a kid by that rape, was abused by mom’s boyfriend (and probably mom as well.) She loses that child, then this horror for 12 years. Forced to assist in the delivery of Amanda Berry’s child! This is unspeakably tragic. She doesn’t seem to have a family to go home to. Who will help her?! How will she recover her life? I pray that somehow she gets the love and support she needs.</p>