4.0 vs. 3.9 GPA

I’m in my freshman year and think i’m going to end up with a B on 1-2 classes (honors algebra 2, honors english 9). I’m taking the most rigorous course load available to me, but i’m getting a B in the least rigorous courses. this is at a pretty competitive good public school.

My concern is that there seems to be a large difference between a 3.9 and a 4.0 in terms of college acceptance, especially if the B is in a topic which you intend to study (for me CS/eng).

How valid is this concern? Should I keep trying to improve my application to compensate? I plan on studying very hard for the SAT/ACT in hopes to make up for it (i got a 29 on pre-act without studying at all beginning of freshman year).

And if it does make a significant difference, what CS colleges would be a target with this GPA?

Thank you.

forgot to mention, a big reason for that B is an extracurricular which I’m quitting (so it would be just freshman year). this would probably make it harder to explain?

Please please don’t worry about one, or even three B grades. There will still be plenty of colleges where you will be welcome when the time comes.

You are a freshman. Please please try to enjoy high school. Do your personal best. Enjoy the activities you do. Enjoy your social life. Try things that are a little out of your comfort zone.

So much can change between now and when you apply to college in three years. There will be jobs at that time that don’t even exist now. And you have no idea what the computer science job landscape will be by the time you start…and finish college. And you might change your mind entirely.

This is the time to explore lots of areas, and be open minded.

So…enjoy!

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honestly it is enjoyable for me to work hard in academics. i just don’t know if it’s worth it anymore though, maybe i should pivot to just enjoying life?
thanks for the advice!

I agree not to worry. You will be fine - and only a freshman.

Please note, however, that 1 or 2 B’s is not a 3.9 or 4.0. It is probably more like a 3.5 or 3.6.

There really isn’t.

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1 or 2 Bs in my freshman year, I plan to get all A’s the rest of high school.

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We will hold you to it. Keep us posted on your progress.

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And just remember, there will be a college for you even with some B grades.

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Please let it go. Of course you should try your best in your classes, but do not sweat a few Bs. Do as the others suggest—go find some things you love, make friends, have a life. Be an interesting person. (Even if you have a 4.0, there’s no guarantee you’ll be admitted to the brand name schools that I imagine you are thinking about. Plenty of 4.0 kids are rejected too.)

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This is a non issue.

First off, your grades are your grades - and I wouldn’t blame an EC. If you like the EC, don’t quit.

You can have a 3.0 and go to college for CS and Engineering and come out with the same job that the kids who have a 4.0 have.

Be the best you that you can be - learn the material - and worry less about the grade.

Good luck.

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So if you are interested in going to a selective college, I think you should continue to do your reasonable best in college prep classes. But reasonable best means consistent with a healthy childhood. Indeed, this is an important time for your development as a human being, and while that includes developing academically and intellectually, it also includes developing socially, ethically, physically, emotionally, and so on.

And there should not in fact be a contrast between a childhood you enjoy and a childhood that is good for your future, because learning how to be a happy and fulfilled kid is often very helpful in then setting yourself up to be a happy and fulfilled adult. Of course some amount of delayed gratification and toughing through things you don’t particularly enjoy can be a part of that. But you should be feeling like you are living an enjoyable and meaningful life most of the time.

So if whatever you are doing academically is making it impossible for you to be developing in a well-balanced way, making good friends, exploring your true interests, just having fun, and so on, that is not reasonable.

OK, so do your reasonable best in your classes, and then a couple years from now, toward the end of your junior year, you can start assessing where you are competitive for college admissions. And this is not remotely a binary (competitive/not-competitive). There is a wide range of different colleges in terms of the academic qualifications that they typically view as competitive, and GPA is actually way too crude to capture that variation as different colleges can look for different things in terms of course mix, academic-related extracurriculars, recommendations, and so on.

So, when the time comes, you can investigate colleges in detail and figure out where you are a good fit for what they are looking for, and they are a good fit for what you are looking for. But it is way too early to be doing that, because at your age things often change a lot over a scale of years. So, don’t worry about it yet.

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My son had 4 Bs in high school and got into the dream school. I know kids with 4.0s that didn’t get in to any of their top choices. Your application will be about more than just your grades.

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I’ll put it in perspective…my wife, years back, graduated valedictorian in her high school class and got accepted into Yale. She was 68 lbs. when she did her commencement speech. She opted to take a scholarship at an in-state university because of her health. Good thing she did, because I wouldn’t have met her otherwise. I’m not smart enough for Yale :slight_smile:

Anyway…you’re doing the best you can. Love the Bs. Because if you decide to study CS, they won’t matter. CS degrees are ridiculously employable. You would do just fine at your state university. You’re a teenager. This is the last time of your life you can be care-free. After that, adult life begins to suck. Have fun, go to prom, be happy, just don’t blow anything up :flushed:

Same here. My kid got 5 Bs and attended a top Liberal Arts College on a scholarship. She was also accepted to two really good public flagship universities with a lot of merit funding. She probably would have had more good acceptances had she not been accepted ED and therefore didn’t apply to any other college.

@hazy I can 100% guarantee to you that those 1-2 Bs will not be the reason that you will be rejected from any college. The only thing that is important is that you figure out what you did wrong and how to improve.

Not uncommon. My kid got B in Pre-Calc Honors and As in AP Calc BC (and 5 on the test). In fact, all of her Bs were in Freshman and Sophomore years. Junior and Senior grades were solid As.

First, no there really isn’t.

Second, the point of high school, among other things, is to figure out your interests and your strength. Your major of choice should be based on a combination of your interests and strengths. Who knows, maybe your strengths are in science, not engineering?

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got 4 Bs

in an internship right now

will focus on grades more

best case scenario i get 3.85UW/~4.45W

My S23 got B’s in math and science freshman year and is now a physics and math double major at an extremely selective school. I wouldn’t sweat it.

The difference between 3.9 and 4.0 all other things being equal will not keep you out of most of the most competitive schools. Even a 4.0 doesn’t seal the deal. By the time you are in that range, its going to be on the other things – your ECs, test scores (where applicable) what you did out of school, your recs, essays, etc. Also, a couple B’s freshman year followed by consistent A’s/A-'s just demonstrate you doubled down and improved.

The real question is why did you get B’s this year and do you feel you know how to avoid them in subsequent years. If you got a couple B’s every year that would impact your odds at top schools.

No difference. I had a 3.9 (3.93 to be exact) and got in to plenty of top schools. Once you meet the academic benchmark (way under 3.9 for most colleges), it more comes down to your extracurriculars and essays! However, I do still think the test score is a good idea. In my opinion, it helps a lot more in a Test Optional environment than most colleges let on. Good luck!!

Thanks for the honest follow-up.

Forget about the GPA and get A-'s or better for the next 3 years. You will be 100% fine if you do that. Trust me!

Out of curiosity, how did you get an internship after freshman year of HS, assuming you are 14-15? Family or local connection?