4.00+42 Mcat = rejected

Pre-Med & Medical School Pre-Med Topics
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<p>Applicant Profile, #00945:
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Ethnicity: Caucasian
Home State: PA</p>

<p>Undergraduate Institution: Cornell University
Area of Study: Biological/Life Sciences</p>

<p>Other Institution: Cornell University (double major)
Area of Study: Psychology/Social Sciences
Degree Obtained: BA</p>

<p>Application Year: 2004
MCAT Score: VR 15, PS 14, BS 13, Q<br>
BCPM GPA: 4.00
Overall GPA: 4.00</p>

<p>Brief Profile:
-Psychology tutor
-Club tae kwon do
-4 honor societies and 1 co-ed honor fraternity
-Award for achievement in organic chemistry
-Dean’s List for 6 semesters so far
-Music: vocal ensemble and 2 instruments
-Kaplan MCAT teacher
-Lab assistant (summers and during senior year)
-Co-founder and Co-president of SADD chapter
-Various community service experiences through honor societies</p>

<p>Overview of Applications:
Rejected Post-Secondary
Cornell University - “Rejected pre-interview 1/5”
University of California, San Diego - “Rejected pre-interview (1/16/04)”</p>

<p>Rejected Post-Interview
Stanford University - “Rejected post-interview”</p>

<p>Withdrew Post-Interview/Declined Interview
Boston University - “Declined interview”
Tufts University - “Declined interview”</p>

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<p>Undergraduate Institution: Vanderbilt University
Area of Study: Physical Sciences</p>

<p>Application Year: 2005
MCAT Score: VR 13, PS 15, BS 14, S
BCPM GPA: 4.00
Overall GPA: 4.00</p>

<p>Brief Profile:
Phi Beta Kappa, sorority VP, mentoring, research, several honoraries, and much more
after AMCAS submitted: Founder’s Medal for first in class, high honors for my chemistry thesis, several chem department awards, shadowing</p>

<p>Overview of Applications:
Rejected Post-Secondary
Baylor College - “complete 8-25; considering the last interview day is 2-18 I think this one is gone. Update, 3-14: now it’s official.”
Cornell University - “complete 8-31, rej. letter dated 1-31”
Harvard University - “complete mid-Sept. You’d think they’d have the money (and decency) to let you know you’re rejected. You’d be wrong.”
Johns Hopkins University - “complete 8-27, finally rejected sometime in March”
Stanford University - “complete 8-31, rejected 1-8”
University of Chicago - “my first rejection - September axe”
University of Pennsylvania - “complete 8-24; rejection letter arrives on 7-month anniversary”</p>

<p>Rejected Post-Interview
Duke University - “complete 8-24, invite 10-4, final letter 3-4. Ouch.”
Yale University - “complete 9-14, invite 9-21, interview 10-18. Liked the school, so OUCH.”</p>

<p>Interviewed, Waitlisted, Withdrew
Washington University in St. Louis - “complete 9-9, invite 9-23, waitlisted 3-24, withdrew after Vandy acceptance”</p>

<p>Interviewed, Waitlisted, Accepted
Vanderbilt University - “interview 8-24, de-waitlisted exactly nine months later - ATTENDING!!”</p>

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<p>my guess: the post is fraudulent.</p>

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<p>I’m not sure what your point is. There are a lot of variables that we can’t discern from just the profile (interview, personal statement, recs, etc.) A 4.0 and a 42 doesn’t guarantee you anything.</p>

<p>The first person was really only rejected from 3 out of the 11 schools she applied to, declined 2 interviews, and got SIX acceptances including WashU and Upenn. I call that pretty good.</p>

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<p>Don’t forget, the first person has neither any research nor any clinical experience. The second person’s clinical experience sounds minimal.</p>

<p>I must confess that I’m not in the least surprised. Numbers don’t promise you anything.</p>

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<p>I’ve heard a lot of people are so confident with their stats that they just BS their personal statements and have typos and all…might be because of that too?</p>

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<p>This is scary stuff. And i’m just about to apply too :frowning: </p>

<p>martinibluex, where did u get these stats from? Norcalguy, how do u know where this person got in? martinibluex didn’t say.</p>

<p>Bluedevilmike: “Don’t forget, the first person has neither any research nor any clinical experience.” That’s weird, because i’ve talked to ppl from several med schools that said research wasn’t necessary. And these 2 ppl look like they have everything else.</p>

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<p>It’s a profile from mdapplicants.com. Pretty selective “editing” from martinibluex.</p>

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<p>UMT: Research isn’t NECESSARY any more than a 30 on the MCATs is NECESSARY. It just lowers your odds considerably.</p>

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<p>Any suggestions as to which is the best study book for MCAT’s? I still have quite some time befor I take them, but I want to familiarize myself with them. I will be a freshman this fall at Harvard and plan on going on to med school from there. thanks</p>

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<p>bluedevil. Research is not necessary, or is it really looked at as much as clinical experience. Lots of clinical experience is way better then sitting in a lab researching since when you are a doctor mostly you practice. Unless of course you want to be a research doc. But clinical experience is fine for most people.</p>

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<p>if people who have 4.00 and 42 on MCAT get rejected, then who gets accepted? how depressing</p>

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<p>UC Irvine: 80% of their students conducted research as undergrads. University of Maryland: 81%
Brown: 87%
Iowa: 81%</p>

<p>Etc.</p>

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<p>DocT - worry about your classes now. You can study for the MCAT 4 months out (and become plenty familiar with them) and still be putting in far more time than 95% of test takers. Most of Kaplan’s classes meet 2x a week and start 3 months out (with no classes beside full length tests during the last 3-4 weeks). </p>

<p>As for the clinical/research arguement.</p>

<p>I would put more emphasis on clinical stuff if you can only do one, however, the experience of research is going to be more “exciting” to talk about. Most of the clinical stuff you have to end up framing as one of those “I came to appreciate how much doctors mean to patients, and I now know that nurses are phenomenal and are the real care takers” sort of thing, because it’s not like you know enough to actually understand what’s going on. As an undergrad you’re at that stage where you don’t even know enough to realize how little you know. With the research you at least can show off that you learned something concrete (assuming you weren’t just cleaning glassware).</p>

<p>There are some schools that put a lot of emphasis on having research. I’m not sure why I got rejected from MichState pre-secondary, but one of the likely reasons was a lack of research from their little “rejection worksheet”.</p>

<p>Also for the fact that these people got rejected with these stats: there is a lot we don’t know. Maybe their essays sucked, maybe they bombed their interview, came off as pretentious, or rubbed someone the wrong way (a lot of schools have the medical students helping with interviews/tours turn in evaluations). Plus, the places that they applied are all private or CA and highly competitive, and you’ll notice they were all rejected post secondary, or after interviewing.</p>

<p>The thing is though, I can give you a couple examples from the other end, people who got in with ridiculously low stats. (One person I know through friends at KU got in with a 3.1 and a 22 - because his fraternity pledge son’s father was the head of the admissions committee).</p>

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<p>bigndude, what kind of clinical experience do you have?</p>

<p>it seems like outside of becoming an EMT, all you can do is shadow a doctor, which pretty much everyone does, but is not really something you put on a resume.</p>

<p>research is important because it allows you to show passion about a particular thing, and it helps alot when you’re talking about your passions to prove it by showing a years worth of study/work with that topic, it doesnt have to be science research, research can be in any field of study</p>

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<p>you know, just because everyone shadows a doctor, doesn’t mean everyone gets the same thing out of it or is able to talk about how it really affected them. For example one student who shadowed a doc might just say stuff like “it really opened my eyes, and i saw how the doc’s really cared for their patients and stuff”…but another applicant might talk about this specific one incident during 1 day of his shadowing and talk about how that 1 specific event in the hospital or w/e blew his mind…</p>

<p>so everyone probably shadows right, but I have a feeling not all applicants during their interview really focus on something that really mattered out the shadowing rather than just talkin about it in general</p>

<p>you could also do stuff out of your premed club at your university. For example, even though I’m not part of it lol, UMichigan has the UMDM (University of Michigan Dance Marathon) and other stuff that raise money for specific cancer research and stuff like that…become involved in stuff like that…maybe go for becomin president of the premed club or it doesnt even have to be premed…talk about how stuff in it really impacted your life in the decision making of becomin a doc</p>

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<p>Work in an ER, shadow in OR’s, assist in OR’s by bringing stuff in, etc., if you are good enough friends with doctors. Become an unpaid assistant for some doctor. Lots of areas are available, shadowing isn’t the only thing, neither is being and EMT.</p>

<p>Research is usually a joke. The type of research you usually do is very simple, and often doesn’t prove much or discover much that hasn’t been found already. The vast majority of the time it doesn’t get published and is something very simple and just plain uninteresting. I myself am a BME major so my senior year we do a senior design project where we design, and actually build a medical device and give it to a handicapped person.l This may have been done, but its interesting. Thus I do recommend doing research if it is for some big company such as a drug company, or medical device company etc. Not the usual university stuff since its usually basic. With these companies you can help with in depth research that may end up being very important some day. This type of research is hard to latch on to, but not if you start trying to latch on early.</p>

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<p>Not that you should listen to my advice because I’m only a stupid freshman (or rather just finished my freshman year), but my premed advisor and professors kept stressing to me how important patient care experience is. I was asking what I should I do for research and they said working/volunteering at a hospital and shadowing doctors is more important than research. My microbio teacher told me that you cannot get into med school without any hospital experience. You can have tons of research and no hospital experience and you won’t get in. Hospital work with research is a just a bonus.</p>

<p>I don’t know if that helps anyone but I just thought I’d post that.</p>