<p>Police rendered first aid to the gunman, whom was subsequently taken to the county hospital. Still alive, so far, from his self-inflicted wound. Reportedly his family has said that he was a lunatic just waiting to explode.</p>
<p>Seattle newspaper now reporting he is dead. </p>
<p>Andrew Stawicki, 29, of Ellensburg, told the Times he recognized a photo shown on TV newscasts of the alleged gunman as his brother Ian. Andrew Stawicki said Ian Stawicki was mentally ill.</p>
<p>“It’s no surprise to me this happened,” he told the newspaper. “We could see this coming. Nothing good is going to come with that much anger inside of you.”</p>
<p>Read more here: [Shootings</a> leave 6 dead in already jittery Seattle | Northwest News | The Bellingham Herald](<a href=“http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/05/31/2543586/shootings-leave-6-dead-in-already.html#storylink=cpy]Shootings”>http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/05/31/2543586/shootings-leave-6-dead-in-already.html#storylink=cpy)</p>
<p>While a few schools were locked down in the area yesterday, others just as close were open with children playing outside. Teachers are asking how schools were notified, since when they are in their classrooms they aren’t checking the news, and there was nothing on the district website.</p>
<p>I would like to know too.</p>
<p>Barrons, Busdriver, Saintfan and Emerald Kitty; what do you think of the Mayor’s press conference held last night? Frankly, every time I hear a politician say that ‘we need to come together,’ I just sigh and begin to anticipate that no real answers or solutions will be forthcoming. Not sure there is an answer for this kind of violence anyway. This latest lunatic is exact image of ‘the crazed gunman’ stereotype.’</p>
<p>With the reduction in mental health and other services for challenged populations, we may be seeing more of these types of incidents.
We had another one recently who had built an elaborate bunker.
[North</a> Bend murder suspect found dead in bunker | Local News | The Seattle Times](<a href=“http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018093698_bunker29m.html]North”>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018093698_bunker29m.html)</p>
<p>While Stawickis family said " they could see this coming", I also am concerned that their response was “to hope he got help”. I think when someone is ill, and part of the illness interferes with seeking proper care, that those around them should at least make an attempt to assist. I thinkit would now be appropriate for the media to publish resources and legal interventions for people who have needbut don’t know where to look.</p>
<p>Yes, I felt that the family’s comment seemed oddly detached from the gravity of the situation that the late Mr. Stawicki found himself in. If his relatives believed he was on the edge, and knew he owned guns, they should have urged him into mental health services. Maybe we’ll find out that they did just that.</p>
<p>I think it is difficult to speculate on what the gunman’s family meant by their statement. Given the difficulty of getting involuntary commitment, I don’t find it to be that off-putting.</p>
<p>Sometimes you want to help, you push it as far as you can, but if the mentally ill person doesn’t want it, then your hands are tied. All you can do is watch from a distance and hope the unthinkable doesn’t happen.</p>
<p>I wonder if Stawickis was receiving financial help, I don’t see his employer saying " he was quiet & showed up for work on tme", like in some cases.</p>
<p>[What</a> To Do If a Family Member or Friend Has Psychotic Symptoms — Psychotic Disorders - UNC School of Medicine](<a href=“http://www.med.unc.edu/psych/psychoticdisorders/about/what-to-do]What”>http://www.med.unc.edu/psych/psychoticdisorders/about/what-to-do)</p>
<p>I didn’t hear the press conference, LW. I am reluctant to finger one cause and therefor one solution. On the news web sites that I sometimes make the mistake of reading the reactions tend to be . . . well . . . reactionary. Everyone seems to have their own pet cause of the downfall of society and go ther first. There were people spouting “gangs” forget that it was a lone middle aged white guy. For some it’s DSHS, lax government, too much government, too many guns, not enough guns . . . I don’t know. </p>
<p>Bunker guy was a too much government and not enough guns guy - but each situation seems to present differently. I hate to say what can be done.</p>
<p>I think bunker guy was just paranoid.</p>
<p>Apparently the shooter had a concealed carry permit & owned up to 6 legally registered guns.
His father states they tried to get the permits revoked, but was unable to.
I hope more information comes out about that, because it seems if someone is mentally ill, at the very least they shouldn’t legally own weapons.
[Dad:</a> Volatile son had weapons permit - seattlepi.com](<a href=“http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Dad-Volatile-son-had-weapons-permit-3599523.php]Dad:”>http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Dad-Volatile-son-had-weapons-permit-3599523.php)</p>
<p>Problem is WA state is very pro mentally ill and it is hard to get any help until they turn very violent. Everyone in the field and cops will admit that.</p>
<p>In Seattle and I thought it was everywhere in Washington, there was a mandatory arrest for domestic violence.
He was charged with assault several times, but the victims recanted testimony.
My experience has been that even in those cases the state pursues prosecution as a matter of public safety, so unsure why it didn’t in his case.</p>
<p>His family didn’t try to have him committed because they didn’t feel he was a threat to himself, although he was obviously to others.
You don’t get arrested for assault when you are the nice guy next door.</p>
<p>Barrons, any excessive deference by authorities to developmentally disabled persons may be a legacy of Washington State’s horrid “care” of such people in the bad old days, the Frances Farmer case being one notable example, and the conditions at Fircrest in Seattle in the 1970s being another. Perhaps the pendelum has swung too far the other way in the decades since. If someone found in violation of the least severe domestic violence prohibition, such as simply arguing with your spouse, can lose their right to own a gun (the Lautenberg Admendment), then society should be able to restrict the gun rights of mentally disabled persons, too.</p>
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<p>The criteria for involuntary commitment around these parts is either of those so they could have had him committed. I’ve been through that process (with other family members) before with a relative and it is incredibly unpleasant. But much less unpleasant than what the relatives of the dead in Seattle have to deal with now.</p>
<p>To be judged mentally unstable you have to get observed by a professional so if you are never treated or sent by the police for observation you have a clean record as this guy apparently did. His parents could not do very much about it or did not know what exactly to do. I think they tried some things.</p>
<p>They could have told the police that they were afraid he was going to hurt someone or that he was unstable, that would have gotten him under psychiatric observation. Actually in Seattle you can just call 911 and say that someone is at risk for hurting themselves or others, and that will get them picked up. Then when they are, you allow the structure to proceed, you don’t argue with the prosecutor as Staweckis mother did, when she pressured them to drop the charges.</p>
<p>If the person is picked up and held, they do an evaluation. If they think there’s no threat, the person is discharged. It is very hard for a family member to get someone committed. I can’t condemn family for not doing enough. We really don’t know. From people I know with bipolar or schitzophrenic relatives, after awhile they just give up because the mentally ill person wont get help. Tragic all around.</p>
<p>My direct experience in the Seattle area, is that if you make a call that someone is a threat, even if you are making it up, that person s on a pysch eval and is observed for three days not including weekends.
yMMV</p>
<p>A bit of good news.
A bullet went inbetween his aorta and spinal column.
[Father:</a> Lone survivor of cafe massacre is walking, talking](<a href=“http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Father-Lone-survivor-of-cafe-massacre-is-walking-talking-157929885.html]Father:”>http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Father-Lone-survivor-of-cafe-massacre-is-walking-talking-157929885.html)</p>