A different reason for lack of African-American academic success? (long)

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<p>Although this article was published a little while ago, I think it would be interesting to discuss the conclusions. People may accuse the Ogbu of being racist, but I think he’s very realistic, in that academic success could be equated to selling out.
Thoughts?</p>

<p>Same thing I faced when I was in school. I was “acting white” to the Black kids because I cared about my grades. Ogbu was on point, this is prevalent amongst Black kids. That’s one reason I love Cornell, I’m surrounded by Black kid who care like me. I’m still getting used to it. </p>

<p>Bill Cosby faced the same criticism when he judged Black people.</p>

<p>i think its true (ogbu’s theory).</p>

<p>Africans achieve and African-Americans do not. proves that its the culture of African-Americans is bad for academics. </p>

<p>“Ogbu believes he knows this firsthand. The son of parents who couldn’t read, he grew up in a remote Nigerian village with no roads. His father had three wives and seventeen children with those women. Ogbu has a difficult time explaining his own academic success, which has earned him numerous accolades throughout his career. He did both undergraduate and graduate work at Berkeley and has never left. When pressed, he says he believes his own success primarily stems from being a voluntary immigrant who knew that no matter how many hurdles he had to overcome in the United States, his new life was an improvement over a hut in Nigeria with no running water. Involuntary immigrants don’t think that way, he says. They have no separate homeland to compare things to, yet see the academic demands made of them as robbing them of their culture. Ogbu would like to see involuntary immigrants, such as the black families in Shaker Heights, think more like voluntary immigrants. In doing that, he says, they’d understand that meeting academic challenges does not “displace your identity.””</p>

<p>“Ogbu would like to see involuntary immigrants, such as the black families in Shaker Heights, think more like voluntary immigrants.”</p>

<p>if African Americans thought like Africans, they would do well. period.</p>

<p>bill cosby is the man. trackbabi, did you go to woodlawn hs?</p>

<p>I think Ogbu is being realistic, as the OP said. Are black students put in separate classes and taught less? No. </p>

<p>Oopsy daisy, I’m about to be attacked to the death. But think about it realistically. I know a few African-American students that do well in school, but are accused by others “of their own kind” of acting white. Which, frankly, I don’t understand. Wouldn’t that be called acting Asian?</p>

<p>:D</p>

<p>I say this regarding the group he was studying, priviledged kids. For the general populaton of Black students there have been historical and economic factors that contribute to this attitude</p>

<p>Hell, I come from Shaker, and most of what he says still rings true. Many of the black students I knew chose their classes so as not to have to work or wherever their friends enrolled; this happens frequently enough that we call these CP (normally College Prep) Colored People’s classes, as they are the only ones that enroll.</p>

<p>Ogbu’s theory seems to make a lot of sense. Think about it: Why are the Asians considered the an academically competitive group? Because cultural/peer pressure, coming here from countries where only the best of the best in academia survive (so that’s what they push to be…). Why aren’t African Americans taking up as many slots in higher-level education? (please don’t flame me for this) Because that’s not what the culture has pressed upon them. I think many of us have heard the complaints from high-achieving African American peers of being called “white” for trying to get a good education and succeeding. Ogbu, though his ideas well-founded in my opinion, isn’t telling the anti-racism community what they want to hear. And in this age where PC gets in the way of solving problems, ideas like his are swept aside.</p>

<p>could you just pick out the most important parts and re-paste them? i couldn’t read all that.</p>

<p>i think ogbu’s theory is absolutely correct but i do have some issues with it.</p>

<p>i am a rising college sophomore at harvard. and when i first arrived there, i was excited to meet kids from all socioeconomic backgrounds. kids that had triumphed over tremendous odds to get to harvard. what i found after one year there, is that i cannot name more than one lower class african-american student who got to harvard purely through academics. all of the lower-income african-americans i know were recruited athletes. </p>

<p>and what else is interesting, according to ogbu’s theory, upper-class black parents aren’t pushing their kids enough. however somehow, most of the african-americans (not africans or caribbean americans) at harvard are from upper-middle class backgrounds. you are hard-pressed to find but a few cases of african-americans at harvard that did not either go to a really exclusive private school or have parents who are upper to upper-middle class. and of these cases, you will see that the student was probably a recruited athlete. i can maybe name one african-american that legitimately came from a poor background, went through terrible public schools, and did not play a sport.</p>

<p>however, there are scores and scores of caribbean students and african students that come from poor backgrounds, yet are able to get to harvard.
so, while i completely agree with ogbu that some upper-class black parents allow their kids to fail academically, i don’t think emphasize should be placed on that. because, as evidenced by the socioeconomic make-up of african americans at harvard, some upper class parents aren’t settling for failure from their children and are pushing them to succeed. on the other hand, however, numerous lower class parents are accepting failure from their kids. </p>

<p>i feel like since lower class african americans are getting lost through the cracks and entering the prison system at a rate so much higher than upper-class african americans or lower class caribbeans and africans, the focus should be on discovering why the african american lower class (as a whole) behaves as it does, not why SOME members of the black bourgeoisie behave as they do. why can caribbean and africans come from poor backgrounds and still make it, but we cannot?</p>

<p>and that’s my two cents. feel free to disagree</p>

<p>^good point./***/</p>

<p>Asian Americans successed.</p>

<p>It comes down to dicipline. I know when I have kids.</p>

<p>They go to school, come home study from 3-8, go to bed and go to school.</p>

<p>If they cry they get hit.</p>

<p>^Lol goat4d. <em>Jakor rolls on the floor from hilarity because can strangely relate to goat4d’s statement</em></p>

<p>I don’t think I’m going to laugh at goat4d’s post b/c I don’t think it’s supposed to be funny. I’ll just pretend I didn’t see it so as not to have to make a decision. </p>

<p>I don’t know what I think about the article. I don’t think it’s racist though, just obviously a generalization. Hmmm…I’ll chew on it a while.</p>

<p>Just ignore goat4d he’s one of them crazy liberals. ;)</p>

<p>Ogbu was focused on why African Americans, who were not socioeconomically deprived, didn’t excel academically up to the their socioeconomic status. [when compared to whites and asians.]</p>

<p>IQ’s were NOT the answer. When IQ’s were tested they were up to the level expected for their socioeconomic status, again as compared to whites and asians. </p>

<p>Ogbu found a pathology in the middle class African American schools. See below: </p>

<p>Book Review from Harvard Educational Review. Winter 2004 Issue.</p>

<p>Book Review of Ogbu’s most recent book. He was a Nigerian scholar at Berkley who recently passed away. </p>

<p>In the discussion below he is obviously discussing the “average student”… there can be and are many exceptions of all kinds. </p>

<p>One small excerpt, below, encapsulates reasons for the underperformance …From page 3 of this article</p>

<p>He suggests that Black students in these schools subscribe to a “norm of minimum effort” (p. 23), positing that “low-effort syndrome” — defined as low engagement in schoolwork and homework — contributes to Black student disengagement. For example, when asked what advice they would give to a relative who was transferring to a Shaker Heights school, Black students at all levels agreed that it takes hard work, studying, and applying oneself to succeed in school. However, many Black students in the study did not heed their own advice and reported doing “just enough to get by” in many of their classes. Interestingly, the students did not believe they lacked the intellectual ability to do the work; they merely chose not to do it or to enroll in higher level courses because it took extra effort. As one student stated, “I maintain a 3.0, but I won’t do anything over that” (p. 23). </p>

<p>Full article is below…</p>

<p>I’m in favor of affirmative action for lower income but not by race, religion etc. because of research like this. </p>

<p>Editor’s Review of John U. Ogbu’s Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement
Dorinda J. Carter
Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 2003. 320 pp. $32.50. </p>

<p>Fifty years after the 1954 Brown decision, many are still intrigued by the (under)performance of Black students in America’s schools. Even though some challenge why educational institutions continue to evaluate these and other minority group members based on their ability to acquire dominant cultural ways of speaking, behaving, and interacting (Villegas, 1988), the question still remains: Why is there a gap in the academic performance between Black and White students? In the 1970s and 1980s, this achievement gap was cut in half; however, since 1988 the gap has widened (Haycock, 2001). What is even more intriguing is the low academic performance of many middle-class Black students. Many class-based analyses of the Black-White achievement gap would lead one to believe that middle-class Black students should enter school with the cultural and social capital needed to succeed, based on family socialization and upbringing. However, Ronald Ferguson’s (2002) most recent research, which included students in ninety-five schools across fifteen school districts, suggests that many suburban Black students continue to underperform, even though they come from relatively privileged families. </p>

<p>Today, researchers continue to search for answers on how to close this gap. In their latest book, Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom (2003) discuss the “skills gaps” in reading, math, and science between Black and White students by examining national student performance data collected by National Center for Education Statistics. Since 1970, Black student progress has been most impressive in reading — peaking at the 28th percentile in 1988 (still far behind the average White student). However, at the high school senior level today, 77 percent of all White students read better than the average Black student, and only 23 percent of Black students read better than the average White student (a five percentage point decrease from sixteen years ago; Thernstrom & Thernstrom, 2003). In math and science, the picture is even more dismal.</p>

<p>Despite decades of attention, there have been few, if any, adequate solutions offered for the academic achievement gap between Black students and White students. Scholars have attributed this long-debated dilemma to theories regarding genetic inferiority (Herrnstein & Murray, 1994; Jensen, 1969); structural and environmental factors (Boykin, 1986; Noguera, 2003; Oakes, 1985; Perry, Steele, & Hilliard, 2003); reproduction (Bourdieu, 1986; Bowles & Gintis, 1976); opposition (Fordham & Ogbu, 1986); and resistance (Cummins, 1996; Giroux, 1983; Kohl, 1994). Indeed, despite a history of significant educational advancement since 1954, an overwhelming number of Black students still fall prey to academic underperformance and failure in America’s schools. A growing body of qualitative research draws upon Black students’ voices — voices that too often are left out of the educational debate — to examine these students’ performance in U.S. schools (Bergin & Cooks, 2002; Carter, 2003; Fordham & Ogbu, 1986; Hemmings, 1996, 1998; Mehan, Hubbard, & Villanueva, 1994; Nieto, 2004). </p>

<p>For several decades, the late educational scholar John U. Ogbu theorized about and studied the academic performance of immigrant and non-immigrant (also referred to as voluntary and involuntary, respectively) minority students. Although often contested in the field of education for overgeneralizations regarding the academic performance of these students, Ogbu’s work has been seminal in understanding the attitudes and behaviors of Black students in public schools. His final book, Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement, captures the complexities of examining the Black-White achievement gap in an ethnographic study of the well-known, upper-middle-class suburban Shaker Heights community outside of Cleveland, Ohio. For over eight months, Ogbu and his research team conducted group and individual discussions and interviews with students, school personnel, and community members, and conducted participant observations in four elementary schools, one middle school, and the community’s high school. </p>

<p>Using a cultural-ecological theory, Ogbu examines several interlocking factors that might affect middle-class Black students’ school performance and their academic engagement. According to Ogbu, the cultural-ecological theory of minority schooling considers two sets of factors that shape minority students’ school adjustment and academic performance: 1) the way society and its institutions treat and have treated minorities (i.e. the system), and 2) how minorities interpret and respond to their treatment, which is dependent on their unique history and minority status in America. He refers to the second set of factors as community forces. Although used as an analytical lens in much of his prior research, in this study Ogbu expands the framework with a closer examination of the following for Black students: (a) their instrumental educational beliefs and behaviors; (b) their relationship with the educational system and the schools and their expressive beliefs and behaviors, including how they interpret and respond to cultural and language differences because of their collective identity; and (c) their educational strategies (p. 55). A primary focus of his Shaker Heights study is to illuminate why some Black students are disengaged from academic work, which leads to their underperformance. The data from this study illuminate the urgency to understand the presence of low-achieving Black students not only in urban communities, but also in suburban communities; thus, class-based analyses of the problems that Black students encounter in schools are inadequate. </p>

<p>Because current research on Black students who attend suburban public schools is limited (Ferguson, 2002; Wells & Crain, 1997), this book is an integral addition to the Black-White achievement gap debate; the research draws heavily from Black students’ voices to examine their experiences living and attending school in a racially integrated but predominantly White community. Ogbu asserts that current educational discourse continues to attribute Black student underachievement primarily to school and societal factors (e.g., tracking, stereotypical teacher attitudes and beliefs, social-class inequities, and cultural differences between home and school), representing the students as “victims or marginalized people who, with some justification, fail by ‘resisting’ the marginalization” (p. xix). Ogbu believes we do not hold the Black community and its students accountable for their roles in Black student underachievement. In this study, he “give[s] voice to [his] informants, whether they are students, school personnel, or parents” (p. xx) so they can explain their own roles in academic disengagement and performance. </p>

<p>Ogbu suggests that educational researchers, policymakers, and practitioners must simultaneously consider community forces that inform Black student school success. He defines community forces as “the ways minorities interpret and respond to schooling . . . the beliefs and behaviors within the minority community regarding education that minority students bring to school” (pp. vii, xiii). Ogbu’s focus on community forces challenges readers to examine critically the Black community’s role in the racial achievement gap. </p>

<p>In this essay, I first provide an overview of academic disengagement and analyze Ogbu’s critiques of conventional explanations for the low academic performance of many Black students and his perspective on exploring community forces as an alternative explanation. I then examine how the findings from his study inform the current discourse on system factors, their relationship to community forces, and their effect on Black student achievement. Finally, I discuss the utility of Ogbu’s recommendations for narrowing the Black-White achievement gap and their place in current educational discourse on strategies for closing this gap. </p>

<p>Academic Disengagement</p>

<p>In the first section of the book (chs. 1–3), Ogbu provides an overview of the Black-White achievement gap in Shaker Heights at all levels (elementary, middle, and high school), highlighting the fact that the gap is found in proficiency test scores, course-level enrollment, grade point average, high school graduation ranking, and college attendance. Based on existing research in this area, it is no surprise that the Shaker Heights community embodies the same racial disparities commonly found in schools throughout the United States (Haycock, 2001; Jencks & Phillips, 1998; Thernstrom & Thernstrom, 2003). Ogbu also describes academic disengagement found in Shaker Heights among Black students. He suggests that Black students in these schools subscribe to a “norm of minimum effort” (p. 23), positing that “low-effort syndrome” — defined as low engagement in schoolwork and homework — contributes to Black student disengagement. For example, when asked what advice they would give to a relative who was transferring to a Shaker Heights school, Black students at all levels agreed that it takes hard work, studying, and applying oneself to succeed in school. However, many Black students in the study did not heed their own advice and reported doing “just enough to get by” in many of their classes. Interestingly, the students did not believe they lacked the intellectual ability to do the work; they merely chose not to do it or to enroll in higher level courses because it took extra effort. As one student stated, “I maintain a 3.0, but I won’t do anything over that” (p. 23). These types of responses from Black students encourage the reader to question the origin of these attitudes. Black students attributed their minimum effort to boring and uninteresting classes, a lack of motivation by school personnel, poor study habits, other priorities that derailed academic effort (such as part-time jobs), and peer pressures (i.e., “it’s not cool” to work hard or show you’re smart). It should be noted that these reasons provided by the students represent systemic and individual factors, indicating the complex nature of these students’ academic disengagement. Ogbu is right to highlight the students’ roles in this problem. However, his data indicate that the systemic factors also cannot be ignored. </p>

<p>Explanations for Black Student Underperformance</p>

<p>A very engaging portion of the first section of the book is Ogbu’s critical examination of conventional explanations for Black underperformance. Because Black students’ performance on IQ tests did not predict their academic achievement in Shaker Heights, the reader must question the assumption long held by many that Blacks are genetically intellectually inferior (Herrnstein & Murray, 1994). Additionally, Ogbu complicates the low teacher expectation hypothesis as a factor in Black student underperformance, given his findings that “low teacher expectations coexisted with students’ unwillingness or refusal to do class work or homework. . . . It was difficult to determine which came first” (p. 37). Based on their own research, many scholars would critique Ogbu’s assertion that teachers of Black students often enter the classroom with stereotypical beliefs about and attitudes toward Black students based on society’s framing of Blacks as a racial group prior to ever having met their students or witnessed their academic patterns (Irvine, 1990; Leacock, 1985; Rist, 1970). </p>

<p>Perhaps Ogbu’s biggest counterargument is to the cultural differences explanation that has been extensively discussed in the literature (Boykin, 1986; Gay, 1979; Hale-Benson, 1986; McDermott, 1987). Because he believes that Boykin presents the most elaborate description of this explanation, Ogbu critiques Boykin’s (1986) “triple quandary” hypothesis regarding Black students’ ability to navigate a Black world and a White world. Ogbu grounds his critique in his and other scholars’ comparative research (Gibson, 1988; Johnson, 1999; Ogbu, 1987; Su</p>

<p>African immigrants are extremely motivated and academically devoted, so that immediately debunks any racist rationales. </p>

<p>There is something that needs to be fixed at the core of African-American culture. But it’s not going to be fixed in an instant, and it especially won’t be fixed by constant self-righteous berating by old conservative white men. Hopefully, with the rise of positive intellectual role models like Barack Obama and Deval Patrick, the tide will slowly turn.</p>

<p>Role models like Obama and Patrick should help.</p>

<p>Another thing that would help is ending affirmative action based on race.</p>

<p>Currently middle class African Americans know if they get “decent” grades – but lower than whites or asians - they can still go to a great school because of affirmative action. </p>

<p>Why study harder?</p>

<p>There should be affirmative action based on income. But that would be for all poorer people. To the extent that one racial group or another was disproportionately poor, that group would get extra help. </p>

<p>But there is no reason why a rich black student who father is a doctor should get a helping hand versus a poor white or Asian student. </p>

<p>Racists believe that without the “helping” hand, rich African American students wouldn’t go to top schools. </p>

<p>I believe that those students would just study alot harder - Act Asian.</p>

<p>I’ve noticed that frequently, African immigrants never even participate in African-American communities. A very good friend of mine from HS who immigrated from Jamaica had mostly white friends. She personally told me that she felt uncomfortable when she was surrounded solely by African Americans. Another boy I’ve known in middle school (I believe he was from Nigeria) also had almost exclusively white friends. Since African immigrants tend to assimilate more willingly into the white community than the black, I agree with Ogbu’s assertion about community influences. Undoubtedly, the answer is much more complex than that, but community is a huge factor in African-American underachivement in academics. </p>

<p>Something else that might be interesting to look at (I don’t know if anyone ever has) would be the academic performance of African-American kids who have been adopted by white parents. Since they are almost entirely separated from the traditional African-American communities in such a setting, what would their academic achievement be like?</p>

<p>This is so stupid. Of course an entire race’s education and performance in school can be generalized as poor and furthermore can be traced to one exact problem.</p>

<p>That was sarcasm if you couldn’t tell.</p>