A Few Words from a pretentious Princetonian '13

<p>I basically quit CC after my senior year since I found that I had sucked all the knowledge I needed out of parents and the few students here who actually knew what the deal is in terms of crafting apps. I got into Yale EA and proceeded to lounge in my cockiness and belief that I knew the master strategy of getting into anywhere. I applied to other school for giggles and for ego-stroking, and ultimately choose Pton because of a better fin aid package. I made sure to drop hints of this fact on the forum, since I wanted everyone to know. </p>

<p>Anyway, the point that I logged onto CC after months of inactivity and maturing to make is that you have to take you ego out of the process. In any endeavor where you may fail or succeed, you have to kill your ego. Your ego is your sense of entitlement, your sense of superiority, or inferiority. Your ego is what tells you that you have the right to be preachy, or that you should be bowing to someone else. Ultmately, college admissions to me was just about the ego - it was me deciding I could feel awesome because other people, namely the adcoms, thought my life amounted to something. </p>

<p>And so naturally, everything had power over me, even though I was prancing around like god’s gift. My sense of self-worth was external and I cared about managing other people’s perception of me, because my perception of myself and my happiness was not my own. </p>

<p>I just spent an hour on the phone, telling my cousin basically all these things in light of her deferral. Why do we care about admissions decisions? Is it really about the college?</p>

<p>Or is it about our ego. I think it’s 90% the ego in most cases where we feel awful or cocky around admissions time. At some point in life, you will have to learn to know that your life is awesome and worthwhile simply because you’re living it. And all accomplishments you have can only be described by one word, and that word isn’t Yale-worthy. That word is ‘yours’. And that you don’t need anything from any distant institution or person to know that your past is rich and worthwhile and that your future is anything you want it to be. </p>

<p>I wish I had learned this lesson before I went to college. It would have made life a lot easier. Remove the ego from the equation and the seemingly colossal importance of a single letter will plummet to the level of importance that it should be at. Realize that even if you did get into Yale, realize Yale’s acceptance is an outsider’s thought about you, and thus should have no bearing upon your own perception of yourself. </p>

<p>Take a break from CC. Find a new hobby. Feel proud of yourself from a plethora of reasons, none of which have anything to do with admissions. The problem wasn’t that I felt that I was awesome, the problem is that my feeling of awesomeness came from the wrong area. </p>

<p>Yeah, people judge you based on where you go to college. Irrelevant. The greatest thing college has taught me is to not judge myself on where I go to college.</p>

<p>I don’t think I’ve read a more honest and actually helpful post.</p>

<p>Agreed. Thank you so much.</p>

<p>That was actually an amazing post. Thank you for the insight.</p>

<p>Thanks I think it was my ego that made me think I was going to be 100% deferred. When the real decisions came out it was my ego that took the biggest blow. I shouldn’t have dreamed so big.:(</p>

<p>I completely agree. </p>

<p>I essentially haven’t been on cc since I decided on my school. I only came back today to join in the festivities and to help convince students to come to Yale. I probably won’t be sticking here except to answer a few questions here and there.</p>

<p>When you get off CC, you realize that your resume means ****. It doesn’t describe you or your personality necessarily. It doesn’t define you. Don’t let others’ define them. Schools don’t even define you. </p>

<p>Then when you get to school, you realize that the person next to you in philosophy class could be a IMO gold-medalist or international figure skater, and they’re completely chill about it.</p>

<p>So many things are fake (not necessarily statistically fake, but rather motivational-ly fake) on CC. CC forces us to define each other and ourselves by these stat postings that actually don’t tell too much about us other than our activities. What about a real passion for knowledge that drives you to watch the science channel?</p>

<p>Then there’s the perception that HYP or whatever is the ultimate goal. Sure name matters a tiny bit for your first job. But the difference between Yale and Cornell or Wesleyan or Carnegie Mellon is miniscule. There are so many things factoring in admissions. I think that some of my close friends from high school, who ended up at top 100 colleges/universities are smarter than some of my friends here. It really doesn’t matter that much.</p>

<p>CC is great. It’s an amazing resource. But don’t let it warp your mentality.</p>

<p>and that is why you got into all those amazing colleges…your insight is so deep and honest.</p>

<p>My college app was all about the ego. Ego EGO EGO!!
I applied to two schools: SUNY Bing and Yale. Lovely innit?
Well, I got into Bing with aid. My parents thought I was going to go there - because they did not know about my common app to Yale. </p>

<p>March 30 comes and I am in. Daddy writes a few letters to friends and someone is paying for my tuition because we are poor, and my ego is - or was - too big. It came in the next elevator, while I took the first one. (stolen from Casino Royale).</p>

<p>Well said OP.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for this post</p>

<p>I really needed to hear that. Thanks so much.</p>

<p>“The greatest thing college has taught me is to not judge myself on where I go to college.”</p>

<p>You don’t need to judge yourself on where you go to college.
You don’t have to worry about your ego.</p>

<p>You go to Princeton.</p>

<p>Ya…this post was very insightful. In fact, I would go so far as to call it a brilliant post. However, it is very easy for the OP to make that statement. He/she got into Yale and Princeton…so he/she always knew that he was brilliant. I, however, was a deferred from Yale while two of my friends (both very bright) who had worse stats/rank/ECs/awards were admitted into MIT and Wharton. Don’t get me wrong, they absolutely deserved these schools…but it hurts to be the one who was left out. My ego is pritty much torn apart now…then again maybe it needed to be though.</p>

<p>deferrals make you stronger in the long run. alot stronger</p>

<p>Nick017: good post :slight_smile: Still, it’s going to be hard to make kids who were rejected/deferred move on because to them, right now, things aren’t going to be okay until they’re okay. I.e. the fat envelope comes in from another awesome school/they realize that they’re having the time of their lives at a school that was their safety or sth along those lines. Words may reassure us, but we can only move on when we really want to move on, and that sometimes happens at the most unexpected times. Human beings are competitive creatures with egos. It helps us survive. But then again, so do compromise and moving on :)</p>

<p>@pigs<em>at</em>sea: I agree. My ego took a well-needed hit.
And, looking at the past, people I know who haven’t gotten in early to HYPMS seem… humbler now then they were back then, and I think that’s a good thing.
Nick017 is right - ego needs to be taken out of the equation. If it doesn’t go on its own, that’s what deferrals are for.</p>

<p>and slakedlime: thank you for understanding completely. I’m so happy you got into Yale; you really did deserve the opportunity.</p>

<p>This website is one of the problems. Have you ever seen a website that reinforces elitism more than this one? Look at the advertisements on this website. They’re mostly for really expensive college counselors who sometimes guarantee or post a high percentage for getting students admitted to Ivy League schools. It’s absurd and I pity anybody who throws their money at these opportunist companies. So many of the students who come to this site are indoctrinated to think success is the same thing as prestige, perhaps from their parents, the media, their school or all three. It’s easier to discern this once you get into college, but I wish I was aware of all the propaganda and indoctrination that causes students to obsess over relatively minor things. Good post.</p>

<p>^charlesveritas is correct given the overall motivation and aspirations of students who regularly post on CC. But the purpose of this website is altruistic in nature and many have received helpful replies and advice from many who can be seen as “competitors.”</p>

<p>Also, the reason why many 2400/4.0 students do receive rejection/deferral/waitlist is because of their arrogance or smugness through their essays that accompany their applications. An adcom may view that the applicant is self-satisfied with his or her current level of achievement and firm belief in an easy acceptance.</p>

<p>^ that is actually the ONLY reason why they would be rejected, provided they have 2400/4.0/decent ECs. I overheard a girl talking to another friend and she was saying the same thing over and over again. Bad essays, good numbers and application. She was literally saying “It never works that way” over and over again. </p>

<p>This website does a lot of good and bad things you know, especially if you join a year of two before applying to college.</p>

<p>This is a great message, but I almost feel like you have to go through the CC experience before you can understand what the deal is. You can’t circumvent that experience and get the same lesson - but your words are appreciated nick, and I agree with them as a fellow freshman.</p>

<p>bumpingggg</p>