A Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy

[tommybill]

<p>Scaife and a hooker:</p>

<p>“Scaife, who owns several newspapers, is a major backer of conservative causes; his political donations fueled the rise of the New Right and its moral crusade against Bill Clinton, making Scaife the central figure in Hillary Clinton’s “vast right-wing conspiracy.” In the 1990s, his gift of $1.8 million to The American Spectator funded investigations into Whitewater and Bill Clinton’s personal life, including David Brock’s notorious “Troopergate” exposé, which led to Paula Jones’s sexual-harassment suit against the president.”</p>

<p>Read More:</p>

<p>[A</a> Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com](<a href=“http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/02/scaife200802]A”>A Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy | Vanity Fair)</p>

[razorsharp]

<p>I ready in my local paper that a elected Democrat was convicted of sexually abusing his 15 year old step daughter living in his house. This proves beyond a doubt that all Democrats are pedophiles. Being a pedophile is very bad and that is why it is very bad to ever be a Democrat. I won’t engage in being a Democrat/Pedophile and neither should you.</p>

[Chedva]

<p>OMG, politicians are hypocrites and panderers! Stop the presses! Who’d have guessed???</p>

[tommybill]

<p>razorsharp……please send a link to the story you are referring too…I don’t want people thinking you made it up in an effort to lessen Scaife’s Hypocrisy……I know you wouldn’t do that sort of thing.</p>

[thisoldman]

<p>Somewhere recently there is a picture and caption of Clinton (BC/H either singly or together-forgot) shaking the hand of Scaife, and thanking Scaife’s foundation for donations to some green causes. Politics sure is fun (people die) but scandal is more fun (people only gets screwed out of and for money and fame). </p>

<p>I personally have a crush on Katherine Heigl, but alas she just got married. Her character on TV gets her involved with another married doctor.</p>

[ldmom06]

<h2>I don’t think razorsharp made it up at all tommybill…but here is one about a Maria Cantwell aide (formerly with John Kerry) for you. Feel free to substitute this fellow into razor’s post if you wish.</h2>

<p>Aide Arrested in Sex Sting
By AP
Published: December 5, 2007</p>

<h2>A former aide to Senator Maria Cantwell, Democrat of Washington, is in federal custody after being arrested on a charge of attempting to sexually exploit a minor. Hours after his arrest on Friday, the aide, James M. McHaney, 28, was dismissed from his job as a scheduler for Ms. Cantwell. The F.B.I. said in a charging document that Mr. McHaney tried to set up a meeting with an undercover witness posing online as a 13-year-old boy. Mr. McHaney was being held without bail pending a hearing today, said Channing Phillips, a spokesman for the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia.</h2>

<p>Since the hypocrites in this world don’t align themselves politically, this is kind of a silly thread.</p>

[razorsharp]

<p>

razorsharp……please send a link to the story you are referring too…I don’t want people thinking you made it up in an effort to lessen Scaife’s Hypocrisy……I know you wouldn’t do that sort of thing.

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<p>You really don’t get it do you? Can you not figure out that the actions of one person do not necessarily reflect the views or actions of a group? Given your title, you obviously don’t get it. So let me communicate with you using your logic.</p>

<p>Here are some examples.</p>

<p>Nancy Pelosi marched in a gay pride parade where the man-boy love club was represented. Nancy Pelosi is a democrat and thus all democrats are pedophiles.</p>

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The American Spectator reported that in a 2001 “gay pride” parade in San Francisco, Nancy Pelosi was just three spots in the parade from radical gay advocate Harry Hay, who avidly spoke in favor of sex with teens and fiercely advocated for NAMBLA’s inclusion in gay-pride parades. Did Pelosi ever protest NAMBLA’s presence in parades?

[National</a> Ledger - Democrats on Sex and Children](<a href=“http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=5&num=8970]National”>http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=5&num=8970)</p>

<p>Barney Frank had sex with a male prostitute and was re-elected by a hugh margin. Frank is a democrat. Thus, all democrats have sex with male prostitutes.</p>

<p>[Formal</a> Reprimand of Rep. Frank Is Urged by House’s Ethics Panel - New York Times](<a href=“http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD81731F933A15754C0A966958260]Formal”>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD81731F933A15754C0A966958260)</p>

<p>A democrat staff member to Senator Cantwell was arrested for trying to have sex with a 13 year old boy. Cantwell is a democrat and so was her staff member. Thus, all democrats are trying to have sex with 13 year old males.

A staff member for Sen. Maria Cantwell has been arrested on charges he tried to arrange to have sex with a 13-year-old boy.</p>

<p>James Michael McHaney, 28, was arrested by federal agents Friday in the lobby of a building where they say he thought he would meet a witness cooperating with authorities and have sex with the boy, according to court documents.

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<p>[CNN</a> Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Senate aide arrested on child sex charges « - Blogs from CNN.com](<a href=“http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/04/senate-aide-arrested-on-child-sex-charges/]CNN”>http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/04/senate-aide-arrested-on-child-sex-charges/)</p>

<p>So you see Tommybill I have used your logic and proven that all democrats are pedophiles and, in fact, democrats like little boys much more than little girls. I guess all democrats have homosexual tendencies as well. But then again I will have to do some more research to support that conclusion because I wouldn’t want to jump to conclusions based on one or two instances of individual behavior.</p>

[tommybill]

<p>So am I to believe you made the story about your local Democrat up? </p>

<p>I didn’t make an argument based on logic; I just copied a story from a magazine onto this site. I took one fact (Scaife and a hooker) from the text and added it to the beginning of the story. So it is incorrect for you to claim “So you see Tommybill I have used your logic and proven…” </p>

<p>It should be added the story I copied was about one person, Richard Mellon Scaife, and not the Republican Party. I even said it was “Scaife’s hypocrisy. So your whole response was off the point and meaningless from a “logic” point of view. As such I don’t think your lesson in logic would pass the laugh test in any 2nd semester university level class in logic. </p>

<p>A word of advice to you, not all conservatives have Bill Buckley’s rhetoric skills. That being the case, most conservatives should be vigilant when claiming to give lessons in logic, less they make fools of themselves.</p>

[browninfall]

<p>TB</p>

<p>If, as you say, it’s just about Scaife, how then is it also “vast” as you made a point of announcing in the OP?</p>

[razorsharp]

<p>

It should be added the story I copied was about one person, Richard Mellon Scaife, and not the Republican Party. So your whole response was off the point and meaningless from a “logic” point of view. As such I don’t think your lesson in logic would pass the laugh test in any 2nd semester university level class in logic.

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<p>YOU wrote “A Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy” as the title to YOUR thread. You could have written a title that referred to Mr. Scaife, but instead YOU chose to write about the right-wing. You made a decision to indict the Republican party just because you don’t like Republicans. Your posts are merely inflammatory and add little to the political discussion. So you don’t like Republicans. Ok, we get it. How about posting something that leads to an intelligent political disucssion instead?</p>

<p>

So am I to believe you made the story about your local Democrat up?

No, I know the guy and I won’t give you the link.</p>

[tommybill]

<p>A Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy was the title of the magazine article not my words…when I wrote I wrote about “Scaife’s Hypocrisy” ….even so your “logic” does not hold…Right–Wing and the Republican Party are not the same thing……</p>

<p>“…I won’t give you the link…” it is not necessary it was a good story and helpful to you when you wrote it….</p>

<p>Now let me ask….was Scaife a hypocrite when he did everything he could to harm Bill Clinton over his sex life while he Scaife was running around with a hooker or at best a former hooker?</p>

[tommybill]

<p>“…Your posts are merely inflammatory and add little to the political discussion…”</p>

<p>Would you have known about Scaife who contributes a vast amount of money to the vast right-wing and the hooker in Doug’s Motel, a roadside establishment near Pittsburgh, where rooms rent for $49 a night, if I had not posted this story? </p>

<p>Why is OK to lie about Bill Clinton and inflammatory to tell the truth about a person who give vast amounts of money to the vast right-wing to write lies about Bill Clinton?</p>

[razorsharp]

<p>

A Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy was the title of the magazine article not my words…

I don’t buy it. Based on your other posts, it’s pretty clear you attempt to write inflammantory titles to express your dislike of Republicans. You selected the title because it fit into your message. </p>

<p>What you failed to note was that the title did not reflect the article. The lengthy article was about the life of one person. In fact it states:</p>

<p>

But it would be a mistake to read the saga of Richard Mellon Scaife’s divorce as simply a story of moral hypocrisy. His treatment of women, especially his first wife, suggests a high regard for his own gratification. His commitment to conservative politics has never been primarily about upholding traditional morality; it has been about promoting policies that help to preserve his own wealth and that of people like himself.

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<p>That pretty much answers your question. And it shows you made a mistake to think there was hyprocrisy and the title is wrong to suggest hypocrisy.</p>

<p>You are suggesting that by giving money to conservative causes and then engaging in adultery somehow makes you a hypocrite. There are many Republicans out there including those who would think that government should stay out of people’s lives and thus if they chose to have open relationships that is their business. I suspect that is what Scaife’s view is, but I don’t know. You have not established hypocrisy since you have not properly defined the right wing view. </p>

<p>If you should show statements of Scaife condemning Clinton for adultery while engaging in it himself, you might have an argument. The article says Scaife met with Clinton and gave him money for his global initiative. How about that for hypocrisy?</p>

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On the subject of Clinton his weather vane is now spinning wildly. Scaife speaks of a “very pleasant” two-hour-and-fifteen-minute private lunch with Bill Clinton at the former president’s New York office last summer. “I never met such a charismatic man in my whole life,” Scaife says, glowing with pleasure at the memory. “To show him that I wasn’t a total Republican libertarian, I said that I had a friend named Jack Murtha,” a Democratic member of the House of Representatives from Pennsylvania. “He said, ‘Oh, Jack Murtha. You’re talking about my golfing partner!’ ” In the midst of these backslapping memories, though, Scaife goes carbuncle-eyed and refuses to answer on the record when asked if he still thinks Vince Foster’s suicide was, as he once told The New York Times, “the Rosetta Stone to the Clinton Administration.”

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[razorsharp]

<p>

Why is OK to lie about Bill Clinton and inflammatory to tell the truth about a person who give vast amounts of money to the vast right-wing to write lies about Bill Clinton?

It is never ok to lie. This is why Bill Clinton was condemned by the right-wingers. Clinton lied to the American people about not having a sexual relationship with “that woman” and then lied about it under oath. Giving money to conserative organizations does not mean anything more than giving money to liberal organizations. You need to be more specific, if you want some response other than that.</p>

[violinists]

<p>I don’t care what your god or religious beliefs may be, but there is no way that the events of the last 8 years can be compared to the hounding Clinton received because of sex between consenting adults. The fact that he lied is irrelevant because it was a personal matter.</p>

<p>I think that is the relevance of the Vanity Fair story.</p>

[tommybill]

<p>I think that is the relevance of the Vanity Fair story./;.</p>

<p>actualy I agree with you…</p>

[tommybill]

<p>“A Vast Right-Wing Hypocrisy was the title of the magazine article not my words…”</p>

<p>“it’s pretty clear you attempt to write inflammantory titles to express your dislike of Republicans. You selected the title because it fit into your message.”</p>

<p>The first statements (my statement) is absolutely true. The second statement is mostly true. It is not Republicans I dislike it is right-wingers. I have a good deal of respect for some Republicans and conservatives and no respect for the hard right-wing.</p>

[fundingfather]

<p>

The fact that he lied is irrelevant because it was a personal matter.

</p>

<p>So, if your friend were suing her boss because of sexual harassment and during the trial the boss lied about something that the judge deemed pertinent to the trial, that you would be fine with that because it was a “personal matter”?</p>

[violinists]

<p>FF, the situation with Clinton wasn’t sexual harassment.</p>

[fundingfather]

<p>violinists,</p>

<p>Yes it was. The Paula Jones case was all about sexual harassment. The judge in the case allowed the testimony concerning the Monica Lewinsky relationship since she believed it to be relevant to the sexual harassment case.</p>