<p>If you change the answers on an answer sheet/booklet of a test after getting it back, then send it back for a regrade, and the teacher suspects the change, can you get suspended/expelled for this?</p>
<p>Of course! And, if you did this, I would encourage you to evaluate your morals and think about why you are applying to Columbia. There’s absolutely no way you can get accepted to any decent institution of higher education with a record of academic dishonesty.</p>
<p>a quick look at Dat Dude’s other posts reveals that he’s a freshman in SEAS…</p>
<p>ummm, doing that would be a VERY bad idea to say the least…and trust me when i tell you, in SEAS they take academic dishonesty and run with it…especially if it is completely blatant like trying to trick a prof into giving you a better grade…they tend to be more lenient if you step over the line of collaboration on a homework with academic probation but if you pull something on an exam, whether its cheating or changing your answers afterwards i’m sorry to say but you are really in for it…you’d be lucky if you got suspended…and i’m not saying this as a threat, this is the reality of the situation.</p>
<p>Also, to everyone else, if you’re going to post in this thread just to pass judgment on OP then save yourself the time and effort…go and worry about your own actions…for instance mikesown, your post adds absolutely nothing to this thread and your holier-than-thou attitude and lecture are completely unnecessary</p>
<p>Dat Dude:
If you’re doing this sort of thing at Columbia… then, well, you are screwed. I know some professors make photocopies of a large number of tests before handing them back, so if the prof has proof that you changed an answer and asked for credit back, then you have a good chance of getting expelled(or suspended at best).</p>
<p>Your best bet? Come clean. At least then they’ll know you have some semblance of honesty(even if not much).</p>
<p>i didnt say he was screwed…please don’t put words in my mouth…i specifically stayed away from such terms…</p>
<p>profs usually don’t make photocopies of anything unless they have reasonable suspicion so i doubt there is proof that is that concrete. However, if it is you’re prof’s word against yours the administration will take the prof’s word over yours 100% of the time in cases like this. </p>
<p>As for coming clean, it won’t do you any good…i’m not saying lie till the bitter end but don’t expect to get off because you confessed. </p>
<p>…mikesown, please refer to my earlier post about what is and is not helpful in this situation and lets try not to pass judgment on Dat Dude</p>
<p>well maybe im just overreacting…my professor just said that if i want a regrade I need to contact/meet the professor personally. If i don’t meet him, there will be no regrade</p>
<p>is it really a one-shot rule here at columbia? like you get caught once and you’re gone?? kinda harsh, dont ya think</p>
<p>^not really, there is no reason in the world to cheat, there is massive incentive to do so i realize, but nothing morally acceptable about it, so if you cheat you know you are breaking the rules for a bad reason and so they can be harsh. It still happens alot, so the truth is, most cases go unnoticed, which means that there is a big price to pay if you do actually get caught.</p>
<p>so lemme get this straight, you changed your answers and then gave it in for a regrade and then your prof asked you to go talk to him if you want it regraded? </p>
<p>…sounds to me like he found out if that’s the case since regrades usually don’t require any one on one time. What happens to you thereafter is completely up to the professor…he can do anything from a slap on the wrist, to failing you, to reporting it to the dean which would then lead to a disciplinary hearing which would, in my opinion result in at least a suspension.</p>
<p>Almost all colleges make photocopies of exams before handing them back. If a regrade is requested, they’ll compare it to the copy and know immediately if you changed something. DON’T do it.</p>
<p>I don’t think Columbia profs photocopy tests. I’ve heard a couple say they do, but I bet it’s just a scare tactic. The profs and TAs are much too lazy to stand over the copy machine and photocopy bluebooks. It’s not even like you can put them in the auto-feeder.</p>
<p>I think I asked for regrades 2 or 3 times, and the profs/TAs re-evaluated my exam booklet on the spot. Nobody went back and checked for a copy of the original exam.</p>
<p>But if you do get caught with this, I agree with Shraf that your fate will be entirely up to the prof. Lots of profs don’t want trouble, and will be happy to give you a slap on the wrist.</p>
<p>I agree with Mikesown. Even considering doing this indicates that your morals are “shame based” rather than “guilt based”. In other words you are more concerned with whether the Professor is fooled into thinking you learned the material than with whether you actually did. You know what you answered on the test and no amount of chicanery will change that. How can you live with your self knowing you tricked him into raising your grade? Who cares if the professor knows?
By letting you decide if you want to come talk to him the Professor is giving you a second chance to remain clean. This is similar to “pledged exams” where at the end you have to sign a pledge that you didn’t cheat. You sign this before you turn in the exam. This allows you to rethink your choice to cheat. Don’t go talk to him.</p>
<p>listen to Shraf, the man knows his stuff.</p>
<p>There was a survey put out a few years ago on cheating and academic integrity. The results of it were, columbia students are pretty much OK with “cheating” on homework, even when it counts for 10-20% of your grade. Copying answers, even wholesale, doesn’t really bother them - because the attitude is, at the end of the day, you’re only hurting yourself by not thinking through the problems and doing the work. But on exams, basically nobody thought it was OK. Columbia students believe that tests are where you prove your worth, show that you’re better, differentiate yourself. something like 90% of students wouldn’t allow someone else to peek at their answers and 70% would report someone who tried to - things like that. Basically, exams are sacred. Mess with them at your own peril.</p>
<p>“is it really a one-shot rule here at columbia? like you get caught once and you’re gone?? kinda harsh, dont ya think”.</p>
<p>you are an adult now, you are expected to take responsibility for you own choices. isn’t it given that as you get older consequences for dishonesty gets greater as well?</p>
<p>cant believe this post even showed up here…</p>
<p>Don’t do it. If you start with this, you will soon be doing worse things(this is not to say what you are doing is any good).</p>
<p>In academia dishonesty is severely punished by the community. You can be ostracized by the entire community. Be a man of integrity, don’t do this.</p>
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<p>This shocks me. Nobody likes rats, and Columbia isn’t the type of school that’s filled with competitive people who see their peers as their adversaries.</p>
<p>Do you have a link to the survey? If you’re correct, I have a feeling that people are far more likely to tell the survey person that they’d rat someone out than actually rat someone out. </p>
<p>(There’s a name for this phenomenon in polling/statistics, but I forgot what it’s called. It’s the same reason why black candidates do significantly better in the pools than their actual vote totals.)</p>
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<p>Ya right. I knew a number of people at Columbia who cheated on tests in various ways. All the typical tricks people pulled in high school work in college.</p>
<p>Right, but cheating on tests was always surreptitious and solo. Cheating on homework was widespread and not really looked down upon. I think there’s a major cultural difference in how they’re viewed.</p>
<p>Whatever fellow students think, Columbia takes these things very seriously. I know of two disciplinary cases, both involving something far less fraudulent. One (for plagiarizing paragraphs in a paper) resulted in a semester suspension; the other (for allowing homework answers to be copied by other students) resulted in a record being placed in the file of a first year student who was told that any further incident would lead to expulsion. Both of these cases had some gray areas, nothing as clearcut as someone erasing wrong answers and substituting correct ones for regrading.</p>
<p>BTW, it’s also wrong.</p>
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<p>yes, i agree but only in terms of students’ perception…the school takes both seriously but certainly takes cheating on exams A LOT more seriously.</p>