# Academic Index vs. Athletic Index

<p>I have read Varska's wonderful guide and it mentions that coaches in Ivy League schools take the two highest scores (SAT I and/or SAT II) and add to the grade and then come to a number. Would the admissions officers use the same formula for athletes or is that just for coaches to initially figure out if the kid is in the ballpark for admission to their Ivy? Also, does anyone know if they would use the writing component if it is substantially higher than the math?</p>

<p>Q1 - Would the admissions officers use the same formula for athletes or is that just for coaches to initially figure out if the kid is in the ballpark for admission to their Ivy?
A1 - That is my understanding. It is a quick calc by the coach, and a more in depth calc by Admissions. I've seen three or four different ways to calculate the AI. I'm not sure what to believe, but the resulting AI numbers were not that far off from each other.</p>

<p>Q2 - Also, does anyone know if they would use the writing component if it is substantially higher than the math?
A2 - When we went through this, they (Admissions) were not factoring in the writing at all. It was just Math, Reading and SAT2s. Son is a rising sophomore. I don't know if it has changed.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>Thanks fenway - just to clarify, the AI is composed of SAT I math & CR scores (or converted ACT), 2 SAT II subj test scores, and GPA or class rank. (it's not an 'and/or' situation with SAT I and II). Coach will use this info to make sure the team AI is where it needs to be, admissions will evaluate the entire application of the individual to determine admissibility.</p>

<p>As fenway said, the writing component was not a factor.</p>

<p>Thanks Fenway and Varska. I am getting really specific here - so colleges who want three SAT IIs such as Princeton and Harvard, would they take the average of the three into the calculation + SAT I and CRS?</p>

<p>I had seen a link earlier to a GPA conversion to a number for schools who do not rank but I have not been able to locate it recently. It is not the MKA link. Anyone know where I can find it?</p>

<p>Mintang, Harvard (and I think Princeton) no longer require 3 SAT ii tests. When they did, I believe they took the 2 highest for AI purposes.</p>

<p>Here's the link to the GPA/CRS conversion - with credit to bballdad

<p>Mintang and Varska, I see that Harvard and Princeton require two SATIIs, however, their athletic recruiting forms ask you to list three!</p>

<p>My guess is that the recruiting form hasn't been updated</p>

<p>FWIW, my son and I attended an Admissions Department presentation as part of Dartmouth's Junior Football Prospect Day last weekend. The Admissions Officer said that if the SAT I's are better than the SAT II's, they will just double them and disregard the SAT II's. N.B., this is solely for calculating the AI and not how it is handled by admissions to evaluate the academic worthiness of applicants.</p>

<p>If you take the ACT do you still have to submit SAT II?</p>

<p>"If you take the ACT do you still have to submit SAT II?"
Yes.</p>

<p>For anyone curious about the AI, which is only used by Ivy Leagues and other "top" colleges, I recommend reading "A is For Admissions." The author was an admissions officer at Dartmouth for 4 years, so she knows her stuff. The book outlines much of the behind-the-scenes process in admissions offices, including special cases like athletes. I used it to calculate my own AI, and the process was roughly as follows:</p>

<p>First of all, the AI scale is 1-240, and is broke into 3 equal parts.
*First 1/3: Average of all three (I'm pretty sure) components of the SAT I.
*Second 1/3: Average of top two SAT II scores.
*Final 1/3: GPA (which is calculated in different ways based on what information the school gives - class rank, percentile, or just uw or w GPA</p>

<p>I also used five different online calculators that gave answers varying as much as 10-15 points from the AI I calculated from the book's formula, and as many as 27 points from each other. </p>

<p>Realistically, I think it's difficult to get anything more specific than a ballpark AI range.</p>

<p>One thought--
On the SAT2s...a student can take three at a sitting...and it would be worthwhile to take three---and submit the best scores. Be sure to check the requirements of the colleges--some require the Math2 and a science for example.
Pt is--even if you will only submit 2 scores--sitting for one more test for under an hr is worth it in the long run.</p>

<p>Our student had strong ACT scores AND strong SAT2s and APs to submit...all of that is helpful when the coaches take your packakge for a pre-read.</p>