Accepted??????????????????

Colleges & Universities Harvard University
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<p>How many people who used a fee waiver got accpeted???</p>

<p>I got rejected, so what i am saying here might be biased and flaming cuz i was rejected, but i believe a lot of rich people just get in private schools for jus being rich, cuz i was rejected from all private schools (5 ivies, duke and stanford) i applied to and accepted to all but one public. I wonder how so many brilliant people who’s stats i have seen here get rejected from ivies while rich kids of presidents (G. Dubya. Bushy junior) get to go to yale??? also harvard gets 25 billion dollar endowment every year the richest uniersity. I wonder how they would get this money if they only chose people based on their eligibility, that would mean less rich people and less money.(I am not saying that rich people aren’t smart, you can be smart and rich, but many people who are rich often attend ivies and oxbridge, i wonder if all rich kids are just blessed with brains) So this is my theory that i was rejected from Harvard cuz i am not rich and i don’t have a legacy there. </p>

<p>Therefore i wanna find out for myself whether there are poor kids, who used fee waivers for app (showing that they are too poor to pay the tuition) and got accepted and even if some did how many???</p>

<p>if you used a fee waiver and got in post it. Please</p>

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<p>I did not use a fee wavier fee, however, I am under the 40k mark and recieve full tuition. I do not believe your acceptance, no offense, was markly different because of your income bracket and/or your usage of fee waivering. If that was the case, I doubt many people would use fee-waivers.However, it is still encouraged to get people like you and I to go and apply.</p>

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<p>stanford gave me full ride… im not rich…</p>

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<p>i know some genius poor people get in. i am not a genius, but many rich people get in because of bieng rich.</p>

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<p>I got accepted. I used a fee waiver. My income level is way below what you would probably expect.</p>

<p>Even though the degree of richness may play a bit of a role, if you are eligible, you are bound to get acepted irrespective of the wealth that you possess (personal opinion though!!)</p>

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<p>Have you read the Crimson/Gazette articles about finances and admission?</p>

<p>I really think Fitzsimmons et al are way too honest/ethical/professional to talk on the record about how happy they are to have an increasing number of applicants eligible for the Harvard Financial Aid Initiative, but then to reject these students for being poor during the admissions process.</p>

<p>It’s possible that Harvard admissions are less understanding than you’d like about special circumstances that are offen associated with a tough upbringing (ie going to a poor high school, having to work and not being able to do many ECs as a result). But from my experiences + conversations, it really seems to be the opposite–Harvard is understanding.</p>

<p>Rich students definitely have advantages - from college counselors to SAT tutoring to private schools. I think differences like these are a much more likely reason than Harvard discriminating against poor students–while recruiting poor students at the same time.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/2005/03/31-admissions.html[/url]”>http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/2005/03/31-admissions.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Harvard is just trying to make their university the best it can be. It is easier for rich students to get in, im sure, as they have many more opportunities. BUT it is not impossible for poor students; they just need to try harder. Oh yeah, I am also a disadvantaged, poor student that applied with a fee waiver and I got in.</p>

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<p>Really relevant article in the Crimson today:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=512550[/url]”>http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=512550&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Harvard only pays for its applicants that earn admission. It is need blind.</p>

<p>Second, people that graduate from Harvard often earn a lot of money and have a lot of pride, which indicates their fundraising success.</p>

<p>Third, your reference to GWBush is narrow and inflamatory. You’ve gathered anecdotal evidence to support your immature point of view without even considering the statistics.</p>

<p>I’m sure you were qualified for admission, but you cannot argue that the system is putting you down because of your socioeconomic status. If anything, your status increased your diversity points and increased your chances of admission, so don’t argue that you’ve been slighted.</p>

<p>Go make some lemonade.</p>

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<p>yeah dont blame not being admitted on being poor. thats wack.</p>

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<p>i know i was just angry when i wrote that i also said it will be narrow and inflamatory and definitely biased cuz i got rejected. But still every where you see riich famous figures attend such schools more often then poor ones. I know they can’t just not accept poor people. I just wanted to see the precent of poor CCers who got accepted. It shoul dbe more than the rich ones cuz they have lots of resources at their disposal, and all we have got is this and our peers. Plus i am open to every view, that is why i put the forum here.</p>

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<p>I have four full rides to other universities and am choosing to go to Harvard. I fall within the “Harvard Initiative” income brackets and have received their aid. I also have found their Financial Aid office to be remarkably helpful and generous in subsequent communication. No offense, but I think Harvard is one of the least hoity-toity rich-kid-pandering Ivy League schools out there. But that’s just my experience.</p>

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<p>yes, famous people do attend these schools more often than poor students - there’s one book out there that estimates 95% of famous applicants are accepted. but, i mean, i wouldn’t say that’s wrong or anything. a good name is really important to pretty much everyone and harvard most likely wants to be associated with famous, successful people. who among us applied to harvard because of its name?</p>

<p>and even though i’m not at all rich either, i don’t agree with you that more poor people should get in than rich ones. rich kids are likely to have their smart, successful parents’ genes, so they’re more likely to be smart. this isnt to say that kids are poor because their parents aren’t smart, clearly there are many other factors… but do you know what i mean? there are kids at my school who are just naturally brilliant; you can tell they never try, but they ace everything. and they’re rich because their parents know how to make money. also, more rich kids apply, so a similar proportion should be accepted.</p>

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<p>i used a fee waiver and was accepted RD</p>

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<p>You should know that Admissions Director Bill Fitzsimmons, '67, did not come from a wealthy background and was a scholarship student at Harvard himself.</p>

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<p>The difference I think that must be keen is where the line between being famous and being rich is. Per se a famous person, well-known and respected, is not that rich: Will this person make it to Harvard? In my opinion, I think his/her fame has more a contribution to his/her acceptance than financial status. The famous aspect is a huge part of their “hook,” I believe.</p>

<p>The argument I bring up is that the only advantage I see that “rich people” may have over “poor people” is their resources and/or legacy. Many “rich kids” come from families who have had generations of Harvard or Yale graduate, this, possibly might be their greatest advantage. Their families might have poured millions, if not billions, into the college in time and money. If you were a college, would you not be thankful for this support? But, I have seen countless times where 3 or 4 generation legacies at a college be rejected. Supposedly, and I say this lightly, legacy only brings about an even-more careful observation of an applicant. But, this of course is largely speculation… However, do not use a handful, or maybe a 100 acceptances in the last few years to build a case where EVERY rich person is accepted. </p>

<p>As for resources, I think that rich kids have access to greater education advancements during their younger years. They can afford to go to places like Andover and Exeter, and have the connections to do things such as being a Senate Paige or a Researcher at high-end facilities for Intel projects. Yes, as a “poor” student, I by no means think that this is fair; but whether you go to the highest ranked private school or a lowly ranked public school, it is how much YOU work that contribute to your success. And, OP, I’m sure you worked hard and did everything you can, and yes, it is a b*tch that the resources that come our way are not proportional to those of higher wealth; but, I still do not feel that places, such as Harvard, will consider two applicants–one of a rich family, one of a poor family–with the same stats and choose solely based on things like a “fee waiver.” I think they will look for someone with much more potential in the future.</p>

<p>Sure, it is blatant that many institutions choose some applicants based on their legacy-status or prestige (Bush, anyone?), but of the whole applicant pool, I think it was earlier recognized that it might be 5%, of acceptances, for those who fall under legacy, athletes, or any other status or skills derived acceptances. It isn’t like all 2,200 of us are wealthy, high-end, Cuban cigar smoking kids. There are clearly people much less to do than even you (no offense). I, for one, am a child who comes from a sub-30,000 dollar family. Did I struggle? Hell yes. But, do I feel that I got rejected from some colleges because of that? Hell no. I feel the application spoke for itself.</p>

<p>Now, I will agree (or expand) on one more aspect. Rich families do have the educational opportunities that others do not. I, personally, have a friend whose family makes six figures. He/she went to an accelerated elementary/middle school, and then by 9th grade had enough credits to graduate high school with 65+ credits for college (Countless APs and college courses). On the side, he/she also attended private music and sports lessons; and went to specialized schools for SAT preparation. Advantage? You bet. But, did he/she get into Harvard? No. He/she was wealthy and had overwhelmingly high stats, but did not get in solely because of how rich he/she was. (This person is going to Cornell, I believe)</p>

<p>Now I look at this scenario, I am comforted by the fact that I did not have the opportunities to go to multiple SAT test preps and used old hand-me-down books (Used by three cousins, a sister, then me; and now to another cousin), and still, succeeded. Would I be bitter if he made it and I did not? Yes, very, but then I would know that I did all I can and it was Harvard who made the final choice.</p>

<p>With all that said, best of luck to you.</p>

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<p>i agree with you guys, besides i never said all rich people get in. I am not an idiot and especially not with numbers, 23000 people applied i know at least 15000 must have attended private school and not all of them got accepted. I am not saying that just rich people get in, but they do have an advantage patially because of the fact that their parents donate a lot to the college, and that seems wierd to me. But then agian i guess if i were rich and spending millions ona college i would expect them to accept my kid too. But still hey my goal was to find out what proportion of CCers got in with a fee waiver, i understand that while CC doesn’t portray the exact demographics of the applicant pool. It must be somewhat simillar, or at least it would have more poor people because this ( and pour peers, school counselars) are our only resources for college while rich people have a dozen more, but thats not my point. So basically i was gona see the number that got i with fee waiver or under their low income bracket and divide it by the total number accepted which has been posted by a number of people who got in. I also know that there will be a huge error cuz not everyone will post here, but i will get a rough estimate.</p>

<p>And i am doing all this why???
cuz i am a little looser, who can’t get over the fact that he was rejected from 9 universities in a matter of two days, and has to attend UCLA now. so i am just trying to give myself a reason, with which o justify those rejections.</p>

<p>and yeah i am pretty tlerant so on’t worry about offending cuz , i know my posts are biased and even the truth comes out harsh i can take it.</p>